did angelo dundee know how to box????

honest, there are quite a few posters on here that i feel are more knowledgeable and better analysts than what I've seen of some trainers

rather have flea or stoney in my corner than lou duva for instance...

 

That's entirely up to you, and that might be the right choice for you.
But I'm sure there are hundreds of fighters out there who had Lou Duva in their corner and were happy they did. Some of them very successful.

We shouldn't knock anyone's credentials to be a trainer. And, as JG pointed out, we shouldn't assume we know exactly what is or isn't being communicated in the corner between cornerman and fighter.

 

fair point :good

 

Excellent post, John.

 

Did you ever go pro?

 

I am a pro scientist, not boxer, but I do box as an amateur many years
You may find it odd, but I think there are lots of similarities between boxing coaches and scientific mentors. There are two types of guys. Majority play teachers by paying attention on your mistakes only, who constantly play experts and critisize you. Minority guys are more patient, close their eyes on your mistakes, rather acknowledge every time you do something right. Personally, I prefer working with the second type.

By his own admission, AD was the second type: 'critisism is ok, encouragement is better". I guess this interview gives the best opinion about AD: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHHeYQhxj_M[/ame]

Those who advocate mitt work too much - at early stage it can break a fighter. With it, you will produce clones, not unique guys with talent. I seriously doubt ALi and SRL would develop their great talents if they started doing mitt work early. Also, swap mitt routines between Manny and Floyd, would this do any good? I remember Ricky Hatton hired Floyd senior and they did floyd cascades, but it did not help Ricky.

 

Focus mitts are overrated, anyways.

Can produce paint by numbers fighters. I refuse to do more then 6 rounds a day. Sparring, bag work, skipping rope, and shadowboxing are all infinitely superior exercises.

I never worked with Angie, but I've not heard a bad thing about him. I think a bunch of armchair postulating is disrespectful to an obvious legend.

If Leonard gives him credit, if Ali gives him credit, he deserves credit. That is the end of it.

 

Dose it matter if Dundee ever boxed? Dose it matter if he wasn't a triditional coach?
My opinion to both questions is "no".
He clearly knew how to get the most out of his boxers. When Ali was blinded in the first Listen fight. He knew it would go away and refused to let him quit. When Hearns built a lead on Leonard. He told him "Your blowing it son". Sometimes it's the little things that matter as much as the big things.

 

And it's not easy to do. Teddy Atlas, for example, sucks at motivating a fighter. Just, ugh. Don't get me started.

You can't just say ****. You have to say the right ****, and the context of your relationship will make it meaningful.