Did anyone else feel sorry for Joe Fraizer...

Yeah Ali treated him like a **** and it was Fraizer who helped him out earlier in his carrer.. One thing always sticks thoe and that Ali met his match in Fraizer thats for sure...

 

ali was a ****ing **** i love joe frazier so glad i met him before he died the best documentary is one nation divisible the ali frazier one

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Yes,Ali was a **** and took it too far with Joe. I think it really pissed Ali off that when he was at his absolute best Frazier could beat him.

 

Some very refreshing views on this thread. Always thought I was virtually alone in my opinion of Ali - i.e. his skills and charisma have blinded many to the detestable way he treated Joe. One of the saddest things I ever heard was that whilst Ali was lighting the Olympic flame in Atlanta, Fraizer was outside selling autographs for $10 a pop.

 

Yeah, Ali was well out of line in his treatment of Frazier. I believe Joe's kids had to endure a lot of bullying in school off the back of the Uncle Tom comments, which would have been even harder for Frazier to take.

Didn't Ali also give Ernie Terrel and Floyd Patterson unnecessarily prolonged beatings in the ring. I remember one of them refused to call him Muhammed Ali, referring to him as Cassius Clay pre-fight, and Ali kept asking him "what's my name?" after each punch of the contest, dragging the beating out. Someone else might confirm/clarify this for me.

 

Yeah I did feel sorry for him, I have always been more of a Fraizer fan than Ali, but both of them needed the other one to cement their legacy, Ali was out of order though.

 

Joe Frazier doesn't receive the kudos he deserves, and Ali it wouldn't have cost Ali anything to have been a bit more generous towards him.

 

Ali was a wanker. He was a racist **** and he went too far many, many times.

 

Ali was very much a product of his time, I'd have probably been just as angry with the world if I'd experienced what he had.

That said, Joe was a gent and most definitely did not deserve to be treated so badly by Ali. Boxing fans will remember him with the respect he deserves.

 

I know about the 'Uncle Tom' comments but what else did Ali call and say to Frazier?

 

Maximus is right, it's easy for us to sit here and call Ali racist but at the time black people were seen and treated as second class citizens. Would you just sit there and take it and smile?

 

America in the 60s/70s was a ****ed up place, (still is) I don't blame Ali for being a bit racist, he himself was treated badly, to take it out on Fraizer was wrong though.

 

What shite you write.

 

Winners do whatever it takes to win, and gain a edge.

As soon as Joe Frazier was a threat to Muhammad Ali, he turned ruthless.

Maybe he did step over the mark, and he probably knew this himself. But to evoke a reaction and to make a psychological impact on Joe Frazier, it was what he felt he probably had to do.

Long before Bernard Hopkins.

Muhammad Ali was the King of psychological warfare.

 

Excellent post :good