DID BARRERA make a good account of himself??

I actually thought MAB was in the fight for the first 6 rounds......

I gave MAB rounds 1, 5, and 6, and the rest of the rounds went to Pac.

With the point deduction for MAB hitting Pac on the break, I had it 9 rounds to 3 or 117-110 Manny Pac!

 

okay, i scored it 118-109. same as the two judges and gave rounds 3 and 5 to MAB. i haven't seen the official scorecards so i don't know what rounds were given to MAB. granting that we give MAB rounds 1, 3, 5, and 6, (the rounds we gave to MAB combined) it will still be a clear 8 to 4 win for pac or a 116-111. the 3rd judge scored it 115-112 for pac so i'm guessing he scored the 2nd round for mab too, it was the closest round among those we both think were won by pac

so we could agree that the people here that thought it could have gone either way are mistaked and the person had it 8 to 4 for mab just is not capable of scoring a boxing match right?

 

YAHOO SPORTS GAVE HIM ONLY one (1) ROUND.

Here is the RBR analysis, : http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box_experts/post/Pacquiao-Barrera-play-by-play?urn=box,48130&cp=4#comments

 

i gave barrera 3 rounds.

 

That is nothing. Worst are those that believed that MAB won.

 

i read my post again and foound nothing about him commentating on HBO. HBO is not the only telecast.

why don't you answer my question on what 8 rounds you gave to MAB

 

MAB did well...but he was completely outclassed in terms of talent! He did however prove why he is also known as a highly SKILLED boxer out of Mexico b/c he was BOXING his ass off....He just couldn't deal with the speed, power and pressure that PAC unleashed. It wasn't that close at all but MAB did A LOT better than I expected...he also faught a competely different way than I thought he would b/c this was his last fight. MAB probably grabbed 4 rounds at most!

 

Great post! Agreed...But MAB did impress me b/c he did fight an intelligent fight as well. He just couldn't deal with the speed, power and intelligent pressure Pac showed.

 

yeah definetly,i had him winning by 2rnds although i didnt see rnd 11.

 

mab did what he had to do by following the "blueprint". but pac showed new-found patience in his offense, applied intelligent pressure and had improved D.

 

I gave MAB 4 rnds. and I was generous to give him the close ones in that.

Did Barrera gave a good account of himself? Yes and No.

For remaining standing after 12 with Pac, yes.

For not living up to the lofty standards of Mexican machismo, and the excellence he had himself set in his 18yr legacy, no. Hell, that vaunted "machismo" had gotten a sissified ring to me by the way he fought his supposed swansong...how unlike Morales.

And that cheapshot and the ambiguous doubletalk postfight were defo a demerit to an otherwise illustrious career, for me that is...

 

The Card should've been dubbed instead of "Will to Win" as "Will to Survive.":yep

 

hmmm let's see,

so you had mab winning by two without seeing the 11th round

so you watched a total of 11 rounds. did you score some rounds even?

please enumerate which rounds you gave to pac and mab, respectively. there have been 5 people who claimed that either mab won or it could have gone either way but so far, none of them had the guts to back their claim up. i hope you post yours.

though i think it is fishy that you did not see the 11th rounds, which was pac's best round, i want to see ho you scored each round so we can discuss.

thanks and i'll be waiting

 

for me pac won rnds:1,6-12
mab only won rnds:2-5

 

I agree that Pac was exellent in fighting within himself and controlled.

However, the one important thing that JMM and Morales were able to establish in their victories over Pac, is the right hand, both in leading and off the counter.

MAB's right hand just is'nt up to par with JMM's and Morales, so Instead, he tried controlling Pac with the left jab.

The reason why the right hand lead or counter works perfectly vs Pac, is that when you throw it, the follow through takes you into Pac's right side away from his much more potent left.


As you saw, in this fight with MAB, Pac was shooting his own jab or hook over MAB's jab, and following it up with the left.
That left started catching MAB hard and cleanly when the fight went past the midway point.
It is at this point that MAB realized that he was'nt going to outbox Pac with his jab, and he essentially turned it down a notch and went into preservation mode.


The key is to shoot hard right hands at Pac and make him want to go into his natural slugging mode.
If you suceed at landing that hard right, believe me, Pac is going to want to respond with power in kind, and he is going to expose himself by opening up to land his much more potent left......in other words, he's going to go back to what comes natural to him, lunging with the left!
I would personally be shocked if Pac could even begin to compete technically with JMM.
JMM's repertoire and angles in which he's able to shoot on the counter is so much better than MAB's
With MAB, its basically a jab or left hook counter, with basically at the same angle.
......JMM is able to use both hands and varies the angles in which he throws his shots....jabs, hooks, and he's one of the best at landing the uppercut.
......nonetheless, I'm dieing to see how effective Pac could be if he got technical as he did with MAB.:yep


For Christ sake, bring on the JMM-Pac rematch!:deal