Did Benny Leonard ever fight a black fighter ?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by he grant, Feb 14, 2012.


  1. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He, I don't understand your post. In the time Leonard was LW title holder 1917-24 he gave every worthwhile opponent a shot at his crown. As great as Benny Leonard was in the ring, he was idolized as a fine human being
    by all in his time. And during his reign there were very few black LWs of note, but the most respected black fighter then was Leo Johnson, whom Leonard during the beginning of his championship, flattened in the first round as I have posted prior...Let's not tarnish unfairly the reputation of
    the decent and great Bennah....Cheers...
     
  2. mcvey

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    Intruiging question which I did not know the answer to ,[cheers BB]. Tommy Loughran also never fought a black man.
     
  3. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This thread just reiterates for me people with an agenda looking for something which isn't There- brings to mind a story from the city of my birth - my dear dad (say hello to all the great fighters up there dad x) as a lad played a local soccer team named the Clifton All-Whites on account of there all white kits (a la Leeds for any English football fans) and more recently it emerged that they had now requested a name change as it was deemed offensive because all the players who play for the team now are all black???!!! I know...ridiculous but there you go - I mean would he grant still have a problem if Leonard had only fought 20 black fighters as opposed to 30?? It's ok maybe he fought a lot of heavily tanned people - would that make it any better?
     
  4. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rocky,why do some posters want to discover which fighter of the past were
    "predjudice", so many years after their career ? to ask me in effect"why didn't Leonard who fought 212 fights ,did not fight black fighters ? When I
    mentioned Leonard, the most tolerant of men,at the START of his title reign, gave Leo Johnson and Eddie Dorsey,two black fighters of that time a lightweight shot, I was then asked wouldn't it be more reasonable for Leonard who had 212 bouts, to have fought 20 or more black fighters,
    instead of only two, it get's my ire Rocky. There were very very few prominent black LWs in 1917-24, and that was NOT Leonard's FAULT...
    I'm too old to play the game of gotcha...Cheers Rocky:good
    P.S. The bigot Leonard never fought any Muslims either...Scoundrel was he !!!
     
  5. gentleman jim

    gentleman jim gentleman jim Full Member

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    Thanks for clearing things up Burt. Leonard was the man and probably the greatest LW of all time. For the record I think Leonard beats Duran in a time macine bout. Not easily mind you but wins nonetheless.
     
  6. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    AS far as Leonard himself, nothing specific ... more of a broad based point ... there must have been dozens of terrific black fighters from 130 to 140 pounds during the span of Leonard's career and while I guess it is kudos to him that he fought a few opposed to many other white fighters that fought none it just leaves me personally feeling like claims to all time greatness have asterisks next to them ..
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I agree with you.

    It's not interesting to say "such and such didn't fight a black fighter" at all. Who were the black fighters in question? That's the important question. You don't fight a black fighter to tick a box, you fight them because they are a worthy adversory who the people want to see in the ring with you.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'd be much more inclined to "put an asterix" beside a fighter like Vitali Klitschko, who has hardly matched a top 2 contender in his entire "reign" and has beaten only one, than someone like Leonard who fought everybody he needed to and usually won handily.

    You need to try to see contenders more in terms of their quality than their skin colour before you start handing out such strange awards.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:
     
  10. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    he, name me ONE black LW of note, who was worthy of a match with
    the great Benny Leonard, that Leonard AVOIDED...Please name just ONE,let alone "dozens" you bandy about ? I ,have never heard a whisper of
    Benny Leonard avoiding any lightweight of any color, size, or shape in all my decades of reading and following boxing...Nary ANY innuendos of Benny Leonard not fighting a WORTHY lightweight EVER. He was by all odds the equal of Ray Robinson as a lightweight, who should not be tainted by
    political correctness 80 years after he left a great boxing legacy as a fighter and a beloved gentleman...So let him rest on his well deserved laurels, I say...Cheers...
     
  11. bodhi

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    Yeah, makes sense, judging a fighter on imaginary fighters he didn´t fight. :lol:

    Great job, Burt!
     
  12. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    The response and all like it are flat out denial and you all know it it.
     
  13. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Again , pure denial.
     
  14. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Okay then, go ahead and name those black fighters who should have gotten a shot at the great Bennah instead of the fighters who did.
     
  15. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Burt I enjoy most of your posts even though I find some dripping with sentimental romanticism ... from denying Dempsey ducked Wills to denying there were dozens of highly talented black fighters Leonard might have fought and who might have severely challenged him , to refusing to even admit the lopsided playing field between black and white fighters and how many white fighters might not have achieved legendary status if it were not for that reality does not merit another round after round of name calling nonsense nor the inevitable smirky comments other childish posters will provide. Anyone who looks at the history of the sport honestly will side with my position. It's nice to have athletes we look up to and identify with but to live with rose colored (no pun) lenses welded to our eyes is a statement in it's own right.