Did Calzaghe avoid Ottke like the plague?

don't give him the answer. i'm finding it funny thinking about him using Google like crazy to help him out.

he comes off as someone who didn't watch that far back. his questions towards other posters makes him look questionable.

i don't know why he isn't honest about it. i wouldn't think any different towards fans who only came about Boxing recently. but he strikes me as a know it all who knows pretty much nothing. all his knowledge comes from this site.

 

no he doesn't, and no I am here to stay and no your name calling remains immature, Assi.

 

Brilliant post mate!

I really enjoyed reading it. :good

What did you think when Roy iced Griffin in a round?

Likewise, what did you think when Tarver did the same to Roy?

I'd been out drinking when Roy fought Tarver, and I stumbled in really late. It was about 6am and I was still drunk. But when I saw the result, I immediately sobered up. I couldn't believe it.

 

bailey,

I don't need to explain myself to you.

But it wasn't really worthy when those fighters won it.

Those fighters were huge names.

Do you really think that people were bothered about the title at stake between Ray and Tommy?

They sold the fight, not the WBO.

As I'm writing this, I have the Nov, 99 issue to hand.

At the back of the book, they have Worldwide Ratings, across two pages.

They list the ratings for the WBC, WBA and IBF.

On the first page, in the first column, it reads:

The ratings of the three major governing bodies recognized by The Ring, are supplied by the Organizations themselves. They are updated on these pages as soon as they are made available to us.

Joe was never rated in the magazine in the late 90's/early 00's.

Also, if you don't respect The Ring, then you can't ever label Joe as a two weight world champ.

There was a huge call for the rematch with Froch and Groves, because of the controversy.

The only issue I have with the Veit rematch, is that Joe still hadn't fought for a major title at that point, and he was still relatively unknown on a global scale.

Again, he was too good at that age, to be in the position that he was in.

We know what happened.

Again, I said his WBO reign cost him earlier big fight opportunities, that he claimed he wanted.

I was talking about when Roy was at SMW.

Joe found himself in a similar position to Roy, when the Ottke fight couldn't be made to unify.

When Roy couldn't unify at SMW, he moved on to the LHW division.

Joe could have done the same. But he was content to stay at SMW and defend the WBO.

Yet you criticise Roy, and praise Joe.

Part of the reason that Joe is labelled as the greatest SMW of all time, is because of a lack of ambition to move up earlier than he did.

He has the best statistics on paper, because he spent 14 years at the weight.

Obviously he was a great fighter, and if he'd have moved up earlier, he would rightly still be considered as one of the greatest SMW fighters of all time.

But you constantly rub it in peoples faces that Joe is the greatest because of his numbers.

But I just don't see how it's some great achievement.

If other fighters had stayed at the weight longer, they probably would have had equal or better stats.

Basically, I don't think that Joe unifying after ten years, is as great as what you think it is.

We know that the WBO would have made him the mandatory to Julio Gonzalez had he moved up in 2003.

That could have been his starting point.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boxing:+I'll+weigh+in+with+a+move+up+and+title,+says+Joe.-a0111955050

Thanks to general zod for the original link.

I'm 100% certain in what I write.

But MAJR is a fan of Joe's, who's fair and objective.

He's not in denial like you and assassin.

No, I don't think it was that impressive.

Again, the fact that he was proud of his defences, tells everyone that he was more than happy to take every one of those WBO title fights.

Which again, also means that he couldn't moan that he missed out on earlier big fight opportunities.

So what if they were top ten?

Once again, statistics don't allow for circumstances.

Yes, Roy was in a different weight division. Which is why that in the end, he wasn't bothered about fighting Joe back then.

Where are the links of Joe stating that he'd fight Roy at LHW in America?

I've never seen any.

We've discussed this numerous times. I've shown you links where Hopkins had issues with King and the three fight deal that was in place.

But again, why was Joe wanting to fight a MW?

Guys like Roy weren't interested.

Again, he brought nothing to the table.

He brought no major title, no big money, and was relatively unknown, fighting in a different weight class.

Because he fought in a different weight class, he also was never a mandatory.

So there was nothing in it for Roy and HBO back then.

We must have discussed all of this a million times.

Again, in the end he had a very good career.

But he has to realise that his WBO reign cost him bigger fights earlier.

How many times have I got to say it?

If you can't see that, then you need to look harder.

You only ever view things from Joe's perspective.

Nothing in life is ever definite.

He hasn't got the right to moan, when his own career choices played a huge part in him not being an attractive enough opposition to the likes of Roy, Hopkins and HBO etc.

Yes, they were big fights.

But Eubank has admitted that he didn't chase guys like Roy etc while he was at SMW.

Do some research.

He was happy to defend the WBO like Joe. Which was fine.

But again, the difference is, Eubank was honest, while Joe claimed he was avoided by the likes of Roy.

Ha!

Don't mention the word circumstances to me, when it's you who never allows for them.

Yes, everyone has a different set of circumstances surrounding them, both in boxing, as well as in life.

 

bailey,

Part 2.

How can you even argue against what I've said?

Check the history of the sport.

Sooner or later, every non U.S. based fighter needs America to further their careers.

The majority of the worlds best fighters are based in America.

The biggest Networks are in America.

The biggest promoters are in America.

The casino's are based in America.


Where does Carl want to go next?

America.

What do you mean how did it further his career?

How do you think?

MAB fought in the U.K. when he was way past his best.

It's been a highly respected magazine, by fighters, trainers, promoters and fans etc, since it was first published back in the 1920's.

If you personally don't respect it, that's fine.

But again, just don't ever refer to Joe as a two weight world champ.

I don't claim to be the most knowledgeable fan, but it's clear to anyone that I'm not a casual fan.

The definition of a casual fan, is a person who just has a passing interest, who watches boxing every now and again.

A casual fan wouldn't go to the newsagents and buy three different boxing magazines.

They also wouldn't have bought back issues, and ordered videos from the classifieds. (back in the 90's)

They also wouldn't join a forum like this one.

Nobody who is a regular poster on here, is a casual fan.

'The Super fight'

Ray vs Marvin, 1987.

Although, I don't think I watched it until 1988, when I was 8.

I've cleared this up in my previous post.

I want you to read other people's opinions as well as mine, especially from the members who are U.S. based.

He was only weeks away from being 34.

Without looking it up, I don't know when he was on the undercard.

But it's irrelevant to my initial point.

In Feb, 2004, Joe said he'd got nothing left to achieve at SMW.

Again, at the time, Lacy had only fought 16 times, and had beaten nobody of note.

All of the above is factual.

Owned?

Ha!

What about Wlad and Wilder?

You have stated yourself that everyone has a different set of circumstances surrounding them.


Anyway, I love debating with you, it's good fun.

Long may it continue. :good

 

I asked zod some questions?

And??

 

assasin,

No, you've just got things upside down again, like when you thought me and Herol were the same person.

The only reason why I think you haven't watched a lot of Roy, is because a lot of his fights were hard to view in the U.K. and because of the bizarre things you write about him.

I had to go out of my way to watch all of his fights. So I assumed, that you wouldn't have done that, not being a fan of his.

I also couldn't envisage you watching his old fights on YouTube, seeing as you're not a fan.

What questions?

I ask lots of questions.

I ask questions that I already know the answers to, to gauge other people's opinions.

I'm sure at some point that I will also have asked questions that I didn't know the answers to.

I don't know everything about Roy, but I know a hell of a lot, because I'm such a huge fan of his. Over the years, I've gone out of my way to find out info on him.

I can remember asking zod a few questions, because he's extremely knowledgeable and knows a lot about the behind the scenes stuff, like purses etc.

He knows things like how much Roy and his opponents got paid for certain fights etc.

But it's not a competition.

He'll have learned things from other people, I've learned from him, and others will learn from me and so on.

Nobody can know everything.

I was 13 and 14 back then and remember them being on Eurosport.

Sky didn't show a lot of Roy, but the unwillingness part is BS. Also, the Hill, Griffin and Johnson fights were quite big fights, especially against Johnson to unify.

The first fight that I watched of his live on Sky, was the double header in 2002 that showed Hopkins fight Daniels and Roy fight Kelly.

Again, the Kelly fight was live on Sky Sports.

That's cool.

I like to read things like this.

What do you mean?

My opinions of the fight, or where I watched it?

I watched it at my friends house on Sky Sports.

I'll never forget it. I'd just turned 23.

 

Ha!

What a pair of jokers you two are.

Highly entertaining.

"Don't give him the answer" Ha!

I watched it at my mates, a week after Tyson had knocked out Etienne.

The irony in your posts is also hilarious.

My knowledge only comes from this site?

After watching boxing from 1988?

Have you even made a thread on here yet?

 

whats with the deflecting the argument onto what year we started watching boxing?
Is this thinking, the sooner you started watching, the more authority you carry in your posts? Well it would compensate for post content paucity, so I can see why its being scrutinised.

 

They'll be asking me how much it was, on Sky next.

What if I can't remember the exact amount, and I'm out by a couple of pence?

I'll be labelled a casual forever.

Not just a casual, but a psychic casual, seeing as I knew what the fighters were thinking.



These two jokers need their own TV programme.

 

I'll say 1 thing about Calzaghe. He makes for an excellent case study in how boxing fans from the US and the UK often view things differently.

That's not saying all of one or the other see it all the same.

 

Loudon, you didn't watch the Kelley fight on Sky, it was on the BBC.

you didn't watch the Ruiz fight on Sky Sports either.

i haven't watched my recording of the fight for years, but i know where i watched it.

did you watch it Live or on delay??

i'm asking this because you said you went out of your way to watch his fights, but i didn't. well, how come you're talking your usual Bull**** then??

what's wrong, is this question too tough for you? you're supposed to be the big fan, and i'm the one who didn't watch his fights in full.

i noticed you went off the site for over an hour just as you got to my post. ahh, didn't you find any info on Google like you always do??

you're full of ****.

Mormeck fought Gurov, and Wright fought Candelo on the undercard. how is it that i can remember all that without being a fan??

 

General Zod is not a fan of Roy, but has shown me links about Roy that I had no idea. He seems to have great knowledge.

 

I remembered when the first fight was so back and forth, when Roy came out and got an early knockdown, I was counting points feeling good, then BANG! Just as Foreman was talking up Griffin benefiting. I thought it was great, and was reading Ring Mag and KO Mag at the time and both were hyping Griffin for his wins over Toney and Jones and was undefeated.. That win is way underrated, I wonder how may on here remember what I do and watched it like I did.

My stomach sank.... I kind of expected it, but watching it was something else.