Did Carnera Kill Schaff with a jab?

i don't know, but damn, that was a picture perfect jab. that could have scrambled anyone's brains

 

atsch that jab couldn't have felled my sister. Max Baer was really the one who killed Ernie Schaff.

 

I think it's time we all agree that it is a myth that Max Baer killed Ernie Schaaf. Sure, he hurt Schaaf in their fight (Baer WMD10... Schaaf was saved by the bell at the end. Schaaf was out of it for about 3 minutes after being knocked flat on his face) but Baer certainly didn't kill Schaaf.

8/31/32 LMD10 Baer

10/20/32 L10 Unknown Winston

12/12/32 KO6 Unknown Winston

1/6/33 KO6 Stanley Poreda

2/10/33 LKOby13 Primo Carnera



From BoxRec.com

-Schaaf suffers an inter-cranial hemorrhage and his left side becomes paralyzed. He underwent an operation to remove a blood clot from his brain and relieve pressure. He died on the 14th at the Polyclinic Hospital. Governor Lehman ordered an immediate

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, and there were threats of once again repealing prize-fighting in New York State, as well as threats to disbar Carnera due to his immense size. General John J. Phelan and William Muldoon announced that the "super-dreadnaught"

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for oversized heavyweights, first organized in 1931, would be re-established and that Carnera could fight opponents only from this class. Meanwhile, there remained some discrepancy over the exact cause of death: some

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saying it was caused by injuries received during this bout; others that Shaaf already had some tumor, cyst, lesion or old injury of the brain which contributed to his death.

 

what are you talking about? Did you see his head snap back?

 

Carneras punches probably were the cause of Schaffs death due to a pre existing condition. Basicaly Schaffs brain was swolen inside his skull due to his illness and when he was punched there was nowhere for it to go.

He should not have been in the ring and would not have passed the medical today.

 

true

 

Schaff's death had been traced to his bout with Max Baer who landed a hellacious right hand that badly hurt Schaff.

 

That jab by Carnera didn't help things, but a man isn't supposed to be killed by a jab. This is very similar to the Benny Paret case...his brutal ko beating that he suffered vs Gene Fullmer set him up for the fatal Griffith fight..likewise, Max Baer's rigtht hand began the destruction of Ernie Schaff, and Primo gave him that final "nudge" to finish him off.

 

I thought it was already well documented and established that Schaaf contracted meningitis from a severe case of influenza, which sent him into the Boston sickbed he foolishly got out of to fight Carnera.

Max Baer himself is largely responsible for this myth establishing credibility. In 1956, nearly 15 years after the fact, the character he portrayed in "The Harder They Fall" took credit for softening up Pat Comiskey's Gus character for his later fatality at the hands of Moreno. It was Maxie's scripted Hollywood portrayal which Opie lifted for his own characterization of Max in "Cinderella Man."

Schaaf would have lived had he waited until fully recovering from his illness to box again. While the shots he took from Max three and a half months and five fights earlier certainly did him no favors, nor did it guarantee an eventual death in the ring the way Gene Fullmer's beating of Paret did Benny, half a dozen years after that exploitation flick.

 

True.

 

seen it once when i was 15 and i dont need to see it again. it's the most harrowing bit of boxing footage for me. the way he try's to get up and the way you see his spark slowly dissappear is burnt into my memory.

i dont think the way this fight ended had much to do with maz baer at all in a way, had medical examiners of the present day seen shaff after the baer fight or the 2 previous then he would have his licence revoked.
but you could make an arguement that carnera did it all himself. dont believe it myself mind

 

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!:good

 

This is prety well documented.

In this condition taking any sort of punch from a world class heavyweight contender would have been dangerous.