In your opinion does Adameks win over Cunningham at Cruiser improve Dawson's resume to any degree, if so by how much - or do you think it means little or nothing?
I agree, absolutely. Some people think that this sort of thing does not affect a resume, I remember some saying that Taylor dominating Lacy did not affect Calzaghe's resume, but for me these things always affect resume, the chain reaction is always important. Dawson's resume definitely improved with Adamek's performance.
Nope. Adamek's win over Cunningham has nothing to do with Chad at all. I don't think Chad would beat either man at 200 pounds, and the fact is, it was ADAMEK who was being grossly underrated after his fight with Dawson. Adamek is only being elevated back to the point where he already belonged, and I guarantee if the two meet again (which seems likely) you will see a much different fight between them.
The perfect two guys to appear on this thread before me! Perfect!!!!! I repeat: I agree, absolutely. Some people think that this sort of thing does not affect a resume, I remember some saying that Taylor dominating Lacy did not affect Calzaghe's resume, but for me these things always affect resume, the chain reaction is always important. Dawson's resume definitely improved with Adamek's performance. Absolutely superb stuff. :happy
I've always regarded Adamek as Dawson's best win, so not really for me. But overall, sure. Since the Dawson loss, Adamek has stopped a former unified champ and now beat up and took a decision off of a very solid beltholder at 25 pounds north of LHW.
Slightly. I dont like to parrot announcers, but the extra lbs serve Adamek very well. He is not quite the same guy who fought Dawson. I am not hating on Dawson though, because I think he has improved to the point that I think he beats this version of Adamek also.
Of course it's all relative to how you perceived that fighter prior to the fight, as we explained to you at great length in the Lacy/Taylor discussion. There's no doubt that Lacy now is differently viewed on Calzaghe's resume compared to at the time. For most, the downgrading had already taken place prior to the Taylor fight, and his performance and result there were as expected, so that fight itself didn't greatly impact. In this case, last night certainly counts as Adameks most impressive victory, so it's a step up from what he already had proved before.
I agree with this. Lacy was different prior to Calzaghe than he has been since. Adamek has accomplished something after the fact, which is always more valuable to the victor of an earlier fight.
Are we going to go over this again:-(. Every case is different, the standing of the win on the resume is paramount in determining it's impact on the resume. Tarver and Johnson were the ones people pointed to in Dawson's case, Adamek was a sidenote, that sidenote then becomes a two-weight world champ you better believe it boosts the resume. If you had Lacy up there with Kessler and Hopkins before Lacy fought Taylor, then yes (however harsh, afterall it is jermain Taylor) it takes a hit, but if you had it as a sidenote then no it couldnt possibly. If Adamek had dropped the decision to Cunningham would it have hit Dawsons resume:huh. Nothings changed this end, it's very simple Where the win is held on the resume decides if it can be positively or negatively affected.
It was explained at great length indeed, but at no point did it ever resemble a cogent argument, it was merely a desperate and failed attempt to stifle the opinion of a known "hater" :-( of Joe C. You can talk all day about anyone's personal opinion of Lacy, of Adamek, of anyone, but the fact is that in the wider sense, the boxing community generally regards Calzaghe's win over Lacy as being of less value now than it was then because of Lacy's subsequent performances, the main one being his only defeat since then, the domination by Jermain Taylor, and this general rule is also applied with the exact same logic to the thread-subject here of Dawson-Adamek, that Adamek's subsequent performances, the main one being his best win since then, the defeat of Steve Cunningham, improves Dawson's resume IMO. A simple rule applied at all times to all fighters with no bias or prejudice or agenda, the rule of every fight has an effect. I was right then and I'm right now, and you know it. :good
Of cource it does. When Roy beat Hopkins Hopkins was not regarded as high as he is now but it is still considered one of roys best wins.