Did Champion Joe Louis Avoid Maxie Rosenbloom ?

You be the judge. The 179 pound Pastor easily pushed Joe Louis around when they tie up. It looks like a race between a tortoise and a rabbit. Louis footwork and foot speed is very poor / slow , his head movement non--existent, and his guard is too low. Pastor when he open up scores easily. Louis scores too, and misses. That is on the seldom punches that are thrown.

I didn't score this one, but it would not surprise me it the score of the watching majority of the video is a lot closer that the actual judges have it.

Now you see why Roosenbloom would trouble Louis.

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This was the offer made by a California promoter. Apparently he convinced himself that Rosenbloom was so popular among wealthy film folk that they could charge $100 a ticket.

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Max Schmeling, JJW, Max Baer, Primo Canera, Jack Sharkey, Buddy Baer x 2, Abe Simon x 2, Billy Conn x 2, Arturo Godoy x 2, Bob Pastor x 2, JHL, Paulino Uzccudun.

A list of fighters Louis beat in the run up to and during his title reign, weighed against the single loss to Schmeling, brutally avenged once he was more experienced and actually champ. Most of Louis's wins over these guys around the run up to and during his early reign, were one sided destructions, frankly boarding on mismatches. All of those fighters were better HWs than:

Hank Hankinson x 2, Tiger Jack Fox (0-1-1), Alberto Lovell, Jimmy Adamick (1-1).

Who Rosenbloom lost to in the run up to and during Louis's reign.

We cant be 100% certain of the outcome of a fight that didnt happen, but imho you'd have to be biased or trolling to come to any conclusion other than Louis would have been heavily favoured to not only beat Rosenbloom had he challenged for his title, but beat him in 1 sided fashion. I just find it too difficult to believe that anyone could genuinely be so poor at reviewing historical data and extrapolating the likely outcome, to arrive at any other conclusion.

 

Well we don't have the film to judge the slapping, moving around and defensive Rosenbloom, but we do have the film of Pastor, Conn and Godoy all of whom used good footwork and defense to outmaneuver Louis. Score Louis's vs. Godoy I or Louis vs. Pastor I if you dare. Conn would have won if this was 12 rounds or as he puts it wasn't stupid.

Getting back the film, Pastor looks happy with the performance and the crowd boos the decision. Anyone have the full fight?

 

You're quoting fights Louis won, against fighters who were superior at HW to those I listed that beat Rosenbloom up to and during Louis's reign, in support of your position that Louis ducked Rosenbloom and/or Rosenbloom would have troubled (beaten?) Louis? Even forgetting the fact that you've selected some of the "worst" performances of Louis's 26 defences (or build up to his reign, in the case of Pastor) and even pretending that Louis didnt dominate and destroy each of the 3 guys you list in rematches, that's some pretty flawed logic.

 

It's not a champions duty to seek out challengers who will trouble them.

Their duty is to defend against the most qualified challengers.

 

Agreed and I dont see anything to suggest Rosenbloom would have troubled Louis. Louis destroyed fighters in 1 sided affairs round that time that were easily better HWs than multiple boxers who beat Rosenbloom.

 

I agree and Rosenbloom as a heavyweight weighed more than some opponents of Louis. He beat the same men that Louis did and was qualified for a title shots what I am saying. Do you disagree the hall of Fame Rosenbloom wasn't worthy?

We have the Louis quote that he didn't want the fight.

 

Rosenbloom was eminently worthy to be in the Hall of Fame, but not to be moved to the front of the que for a shot at Louis, ahead of all the men with a higher ranking.

If Louis didn't want the fight, then he was in the happy position that what he wanted coincided with his obligations.

 

Its already been pointed out to you that the NBA didnt rank Rosenbloom at HW.
So, yes, as per the relevant ranking organisation at the time, he was never the most worthy challenger, and certainly not as worthy as, say David Haye was to Vitali Klitschko in 2009.