Did chris john really beat juan manuela marquez??

JMM knew that he should have KO'ed CJ...but he didn't have the ability to do that

 

I think Marquez won 7-5 ignoring the deductions. Marquez wasn't at his best, probably had never seen John fight before, and apparently wasn't given much in the way of training facilities.

John did box well and showed promise. John needed the title more, and Marquez went on to way better things (super feather and lightweight titles, epic fights with Barrera and Pac, a fine win over Casamayor).

John now has a chance to show what he has got. If he shines, vs Juarez in Texas, he can get himself the chance of big fights such as Vazquez, Gamboa, etc.

 

Agreed that featherweight needs these kind of fights. I don't think it would have to be in Indonesia. Not with John making a US appearance soon. Hopefully the Juarez fight can get ppl interested enough in future big fights. If Golden Boy get their hooks in John, then he might get plenty of HBO dates.

 

It'd be tough for him to be on his way to smaller paydays - if memory serves me correctly, he only made something like $30,000 for that fight.

 

Just as Pac underperformed in the MAB rematch after destroying him previously.

.....there is only so much a fighter can do when the other is intent on just surviving.

.....by your way of thinking, perhaps a decision for MAB over Pac in their rematch would'nt have been so bad!:deal

 

Just stop it JOHNCO. :fire Marquez was treated unfairly in Indo so deal with it.Any trained eye would know that marquez won the fight, not by much, but he did deserve the nod. Your Bf fought a handful of old mexicans but u don't see us making countless threads about them rah?

Maybe u should get off pac's bandwagon and get on the real side. The Donaire side.

 

Good analogy on Holyfield-Valuev in comparison to JMM-John.Both Holyfield and JMM landed more and landed cleaner and harder.......the big difference between the two fights however is that JMM's workrate exceeded Holyfield's by eons......can you imagine that?Well over 80% of this forum who watched the Holyfield-Valuev fight thought Holyfield beat Valuev.JMM did Holyfield a couple of notches better by having a much better workrate, and being that outright aggressor, something that Holyfield was'nt.

 

Honestly, have you seen the fight Finito?Judging from this post, I dont believe you have.

 

I had it 10-2 Marquez.

No freaking way Chris John deserved more rounds than that. Phila and whatever ******* says otherwise they have not seen the fight and just plain talking out of their ass.

Look at the thread starter people.:rofl

johnco's trolling ass will get banned again. :yep

 

I own all the marquez fights on DVD and ive seen this fight over 10x. What makes u think that i didn't see this fight? :huh

I don't care if all three of the judges were from different countries cuz that doesn't mean they werent influenced or intimidated in some way in front of John's crowd.

 

i am thinking along this line also. I mean, i respect jmm, i think he is the best counter puncher in the business. Me thinks, em was the best technical fighter in his prime. just sad to see that this two never fought.

but the way his career has been managed really makes you wonder if he either lacked guidance businesswise. longevity wise, it has been good for him but it is like him missing the bus when he failed to take on em, mab in their heydays.

he should have fought pac soon just as pac agreed to a em rematch. I am afraid that jmm, even assuming that he will attain atg status ( which i doubt), or hof status (highly plausible), will not get the universal recognition that some fighters have attained.

 

Marquez did not do enough to dominate the fight or as much as possible avoid the expected robbery. Engagaing on that high-risk-low-reward fight was the biggest mistake he did in his entire boxing career.

 

I questioned whether you've seen the fight because you labeled it as close.

There was'nt anything close about it.
JMM won the great majority of the rounds clearly.
I dont care which criteria one would chose to score fights, whether it be someone who favors fine boxing or ultra aggressiveness.

......whatever criteria one would chose to judge this fight, its the same result everytime, a clear decision for JMM against a fighter who was there to survive.

I'll say it outright.....John was'nt there to fight or to box...he was there to survive......knowing that as long as JMM did'nt hammer him from pillar to post, he was going to get the decision.
Thats how John fought....exactly like MAB did in the Pac rematch.....but in Johns case, he was confident that he'd retain his title as long as stayed away from getting hammered and battered by JMM.

John was in survival mode, and was conciously aware that he just had to stay away and survive to win.

Like I mentioned earlier, if you feel this fight was close, then you must feel the same way about the Pac-MAB rematch.

 

JMM won clearly to me.

John did nick some rounds, but it was a classical hometown decision.