Did Collazo Surprise Anyone?

well in all fairness I think a majority of the posters are pretty up in arms regarding that 116-111 scorecard

compared to 114-113 2xs

and even Lederman's 115-112 scorecard

116-111 just seems way out there.

 

114-113 in favor of Collazo is, IMO, correct. Anything else is, IMO, just varying shades of incorrect...be it a wider score for Collazo, the same score for Berto, or...yeah, that 116-111 horse****. That scorecard teeters on Doug Tucker territory.

 

Collazo won that fight. He was more polished then Berto, connecting with much better punches. The only reason Berto sucked it up & poured it on in the 12th was because he knew he would have had to deal with his old man, who would have kicked his ass up the wall for losing. But winning the 12th should NOT have given him the fight. I don't give a **** what the punch stats were.

Collazo won that fight!:deal

 

It's based on rounds.

I agree that Collazo won six (which, with the deduction was enough to award him the win), but I can also see how Berto can have been given the benefit of the doubt in a round like the sixth. As a veteran, Collazo should have known that he needed to at least match if not exceed Berto's intensity in the twelfth. Even though my final scorecard read 114-113, Luis threw it away in the 12th and because of that, to some degree deserves the (incorrect) decision loss.

 

He surprised me because the last time I saw someone moving his waist to avoid punches like that was Ike Quartey

 

Ooh, that's a good fantasy match. Bazooka TKOs him late in a borderline FOTY. :good

 

Perfect way to define Collazo.

That is why I lost interest in watching his fights since I saw him against Hatton. He has the skills, but somehow, you know there is something lacking in him. Might be his game plan? His style? His willingness to win? Or perhaps, he is not really that strong or tlalneted of a fighter to begin with.

He reminds me of Rocky Juarez too btw. A boring and an equally very frustrating fighter to watch, considering he is a big puncher.

 

Rocky Juarez? Really? Collazo at least lets off a combination occasionally.

What surprised me was that Collazo was able to keep up a pressure fighter's pace for as long as he did. I'd never seen him fight that way and with that much intensity. It didn't surprise me at all that he chose to get inside with Berto as much as possible, I just didn't see him choosing volume over sharpshooting as far as tactics went.

Bottom line, he's just not an elite caliber athlete. He has above average defensive skills and fighting instincts, just not the sheer ability that would complement them. He reminds me some of Carlos Quintana in that respect, although I think this fight proved that Collazo is tougher physically.

 

For all of you that must not have seen Collazo-Rivera, you should look into getting yourself a copy of that fight. It tells you everything you need to know about how tough Luis is.

I was not shocked one bit by the way he commanded the fight, was not surprised that he once again caught the short end of the stick against an up and coming prospect, and will not be surprised when he continues fighting the top WW's in the world.

 

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interesting how here ^ you very confidently say Collazo won the fight

yet 2 posts later openly admit that Luis gave the 12th round up and some what deserves this "incorrect" decision loss

and as for that 6th round .. just saw it and maybe Collazo eeked it out.. however Berto's pressure was not bad and he was landing, not to mention landed a pretty solid upper cut with about 30 seconds to go in the round

so a pretty strong case could be made for the round going to Luis as IntentionalButt is saying (the 6th i originally gave to Berto)

however with that all said and done Compubox stats for round 6 goes as follows

Punches Landed round 6

Berto:28 . Collazo:18

Punches Thrown round 6

Berto:78 .. Collazo:81

% for Round 6

Berto 36% .. Collazo 22%

and yes im watching with the fight on right in front of me for any who are asking about these specifics.

still though solid points all around.

 

Oh no doubt there is discrepancy; on the one hand you have the technicality of who won on my card from a purely objective scoring perspective, and on the other you have Collazo basically shooting himself in the foot because of his lack of perception (where he should really know better at this stage) of the reality that even if he knew he had 6 rounds and a bonus foul point after round ten, it's shameful and inexcusable for him not to have closed the show forcefully understanding that there's always the possibility that official scorecards are going to be a bit wonky and you never want to leave it up to chance when it's that close. That's assuming he was even able to put forth more effort than he did in the final two frames; if he wasn't then the conclusion is that while on a ten-point must system he technically ought to have barely squeezed by, he simply didn't have what it took physically to put the extra nail in the coffin to compensate for the inevitable margin of professional judging wonkiness and guarantee the W, and Berto sapped his will and from an "overall ebb and flow" perspective was more dominant and won the fight, if not the points game.

 

yeah and I mean no disrespect man, but that just shows how close this fight was

I mean another poster on here actually found it "laughable" that anyone would have Berto winning 5 let alone 6 rounds. But I don't really see any humor, or furthermore anyone laughing about it.

cuz your dead on .. if the fight was scored 6 rounds for Collazo and 6 rounds for Berto with a point deduction = Collazo victory by a point .. that's just the way it is.

but maybe people need to take into consideration (and stop blaming the judges) that wonkiness aside, what if Collazo DIDN'T have those 6 rounds in the bank?

cuz Berto landed more punches in rounds 2 and 5 ... the #'s are posted for round 6, and I'll leave the rest alone

I won't go as far as saying Berto won the fight, but I'll take what you last said and say Berto won the points game.

and if you don't knock out your opponent ... out pointing them is the way to win.

 

you know, i had thought the same thing that he in some ways reminds me of Carlos Quintana. I was going to say it before, but held off the comparison. Actually, this performance by Collazo actually reminded me of the Quintana performance against Paul Williams, though Quintana got the win against Paul.

 

Quintana - Collazo would be a nice all PR payday for those two when or if world title shots fall through or don't pay off. Two guys whose level of skill deserves to be appreciated.

 

Yeah, battle of the "not-quites". Would actually be a really good technical boxing match with some crowd-pleasing exchanges.