Did Cotto prepare himself for Pacquiao's power?

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  1. brood3

    brood3 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Or was he fooled like everybody else who thought Pacquiao didn't bring his power with him to Welterweight.

    Looking at his sparring partners on 24-7 I would say the latter.
     
  2. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think he was and he did good at first. I think what he overlooked was Manny's stamina. The guy doesn't stop. Cotto, even if winning, will take a round off to catch his breath. Last time he fought someone that does not stop for a breath was Margarito.
     
  3. brood3

    brood3 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't know even his own trainers said they were surprised Pacquiao hit so hard.
     
  4. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes cotto said he was prepared for anything pac has to offer. He gave pac a lot of credit after the fight.
     
  5. megadeth12

    megadeth12 Future ATG Full Member

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    then they really made a big mistake like Diaz, Hoya, and Hatton did. I think the "element of surprise" factor also helped Pac winning his fights because most of his opponents thinks they can bully him.

    Now he doesn't get this kind of advantage against a 'safety-first' boxer in Floyd, I wonder what Roach had in mind to win this megafight.
     
  6. brood3

    brood3 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly, comparing Cotto's sparring partners to Manny's were pretty laughable.
     
  7. blastmaster122

    blastmaster122 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cotto's biggest issue was preparing for punches that come from everywhere and more. How exactly do you prepare for that?
     
  8. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Like most guys who fight Manny I think they underestimated his speed and ability to hit you with punches you don't see coming.

    Both times he dropped Cotto were with punches that landed from angles you would not expect to get hit from, which are the ones that will hurt the most.

    I don't think that Pac has the power that Mosely does, but he hits you from odd angles, before you can set yourself to absorb the blow, and he hits you often. Those sorts of blows accumulate. Pac is a good, good puncher, but outside of Hatton he hasn't proven to be a one punch KO artist. He beats guys up and then takes them out.

    So yea, I don't think Pac hit Cotto harder than he's every been hit, but I think he hit him fairly hard much more often than anyone else has, and I think he hit him quite a few times when Cotto just didn't see it coming and could do nothing to mitigate the damage.
     
  9. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe Santiago said he was surprised by pac's power, on the other hand, pac sparred with undefeated junior middleweight shawn porter who was dangled with $1 000 by roach if he knocks down pac. I say pac prepared well for cotto's power.
     
  10. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Power is equal force over time, that's all I will say.
     
  11. brood3

    brood3 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not the point I'm trying to make. My point is Cotto wasn't expecting to be hit hard. Therefore he didn't bother preparing himself to be hit hard.

    Boxers when in training bring in sparring partners that can emulate an opponents strength. So they can be ready for what they dish out in the ring.

    Look at Pacquiao brought in Shawn Porter a true welterweight with power. And it paid dividends. He was ready for Cotto's power and he wasn't surprised at all by Cotto.
     
  12. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, it's tough to prepare for that.
     
  13. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, power is force multiplied by distance over time, but I'm not really sure how the mechanical definition of power is relevant at all to a discussion of boxing. Punches are all about impulsive force anyway. My point wasn't that Pacquiao doesn't punch hard, because he does, it was that Cotto has been hit as hard or harder, before, but never with the angles and at such unexpected times.

    It's a pretty classic notion in boxing that the punches that do the most damage are the ones you don't see, and Pac hit Cotto with a bunch of punches that he didn't see. The speed makes Pac a pretty hard hitter, but more so it makes him an unpredictable and dangerous hitter.
     
  14. Boxing Fanatic

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    I had him KO Cotto all along. Don't know why people act surprised.
     
  15. brood3

    brood3 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But he was better prepared for those fights. Mosley had proven his power at Welterweight so did Judah. He didn't know what he was expecting from Pacquiao because of his quick rise to welterweight and the stigma of him starting at featherweight.

    Therefore he didn't bother to prepare himself.