Did Cotto quit against Margarito?

To me, quitting is what Rahman did against Toney in their last fight. Quitting is RJJ not even showing up mentally against Glen Johnson.

Cotto tried his best. He knew it wasn't good enough. He had nothing left. If he had gotten back up, he knows he would've been brutally KOed. No point in that. He knew he had no chance to win. He had thrown his best punches and caught this man flush for 11 rounds and it had no effect. He knew that at that point in time, his punches would do nothing. He was a defeated man, but he did not quit.

 

Rahman got headbutted and cut and couldn't see it.


Judah vs Clottey is quiting.

 

Winky had a similiar cut against Hopkins in Round 2 or so. He kept fighting. I know it wasn't as bad but you can't tell me there wasn't a part of Rahman that didn't quit to some extent in that fight. He knew he was getting outclassed right before the cut.

 

Unfortunately, that's not the definition of quitting. And Roberto Duran was in pain during the Leonard fight. He had to kill himself to make weight and was disoriented and battling bad stomach cramps during that fight. So by your edited definiton of the word quit, Duran didn't quit. That's why we can't simply edit definitions to suit our beliefs, it's a slippery slope.

 

Similar cut or not, Rahman had a fat hemroid on his head or whatever and fought on.. I dont think he could see.

 

i dont think he quit, he just could not handle much more beating from the better man that night

 

Giving up when the odds are against you is still quitting.

 

Roy gets knocked clean the **** out and you consider that quitting. A concious Cotto decides to voluntarily take two knees and then nods at his corner to stop the fight and that's not quitting in your book. Classic

 

He didn't quit technically, but showed that he didn't want to continue the fight.

 

he was resting his legs

 

How could he not have known he had no realistic chance of winning? At that point, he was physically spent, and knew he didn't have the gas tank to last the remaining two rounds. Even if the official judges had him winning every round, it would have been completely irrelevant if he couldn't finish the fight on his feet. Which he felt he could not. Hence, the reason he elected to take knees and give himself a momentary reprieve. Conceding in Boxing is completely different from conceding in Golf and Politics.

Okay, let's say open scoring was not in play for V. Klitschko vs. Peter. Does that mean Sam should have continued on since he didn't know what the scorecards read? Of course not, because it was a forgone conclusion, as was Cotto-Margarito. You're making it seem like judges scorecards should indicate whether or not a fighter should pull, or be pulled, out of a fight. When that couldn't be any further from the truth.

I'm not shitting on anyone. It's just foolish to compare the two scenarios. Especially considering the difference in fights each man put up.

How so? Peter wasn't the one bleeding from his nose and mouth, and fighting on instinct for the last 5 rounds of his fight. Peter took a lot of punches, but no more than he took against Wlad, and he certainly had more left in the tank than Cotto. Either way, I still believe he made a correct decision.

 

Exactly!

 

If I am asked for my opinion on whether he quit or not, I give my opinion. My opinion is that being badly beaten so you end the contest as a direct result of injuries sustained as a direct result of punches to avoid possible severe/permenant injury, then you didn't "quit". If your definition of "to quit" is different to mine, fair enough Reg, but that's my opinion on the subject.

Roberto Duran did indeed have stomach cramps and other issues that night (I just finished his biography 'Hands of Stone', great read), and I understand why he quit, but he did not do so as a direct result of a punch or punches, therefore by my definition, he did "quit".

IMO.

 

I believe he was just a beaten fighter. There's no point of standing there and getting hurt even worse just to prove you got heart. I think Cotto more than proved his heart in that fight still throwing solid shots even up until to 10th round while Margarito was on the hunt.

Thankfully we'll see Cotto fight another day.

Glad to see some level headed dudes on this forum.

 

There is no conceding defeat in boxing, that was my whole point. Sugar Ray Leonard said his lungs were burning when he fought Hearns. He fought the latter parts of that fight on pure heart. Ali,Abraham, and Malignaggi fought significant rounds with broken jaws. In boxing, plenty of people have fought when they were dead tired or injured. You always have a realistic shot at winning, which is why there is no such thing as a fighter conceding defeat. Cotto quit. I don't blame him and it was the smart choice, but he still quit. He's accepted it and moved on, his fans should do the same.

This is a useless argument on your behalf. Peter quit in that fight, just like Cotto.

Quitting is still quitting. Cotto put up more of a fight, but not enough of a fight.

The worse injuries in boxing are brain injuries. You don't need a busted mouth or nose in order to damage your brain in a fight.