Did Cus D Amato overly protect Floyd Patterson as champion?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No problem with the Cooper fight, just saying it goes under the umbrella of "there were other more deserving challengers out there". Same with a lot of Louis's defences. But of course their reigns were superior to that of Floyd.

    London came off a win over Pastrano, which certainly made him a viable challenger. Then he lost to Cooper in his next fight, but I don't know if he'd signed for Floyd already before that loss.

    Anyhow this is my breakdown of his reigns, and then I'll leave it that:

    '56 Wins the title with only one month left on the year.

    '57 Defends against his nr 1 contender and then throws in a defence against Rademacher three weeks later. I can't say he avoided anyone this year since he honoured his mandatory.

    '58 Defends against Harris who's ranked nr 3 or 4. Harris wasn't that bad a challenger, but Floyd should have defended against Folley or Machen instead.

    '59 London, who had been ranked at the end of the preceding year but might have fallen out of the rankings, and the clear nr 1 contender Ingo. Can't say he avoided anyone this year either, since he defended, albeit without success, against the standout challenger.

    '60 Wins back the title.

    '61 Defends against Ingo then McNeely. He honoured a rematch clause against his toughest opponent to date in Ingo, so no problem with that as such. The fights with Ingo were quite spaced out, though, and together with the fact that he closed out the year with a very soft defence against McNeely, Liston was put on hold too long. He should have gotten his shot already in '61.

    '62 Defends unsuccessfully against Liston. One year too late, but without a single doubt the defence to make.
     
  2. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    But he was a good manager for Floyd Patterson. The sanctioning bodies can penalize Patterson/Dmato if their not going with the rules. Lets be honest Cus wouldn't have to be as protective with a Tyson. As far as Cus, yea he was a hypocrite.They say he feared for his life. Cus had Fat Tony Salerno in on Tyson. That was the very top of the Mafia.
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    That’s right, London beat Pastrano and became a viable challenger.

    On the dates Floyd fought Machen was #2 when Tommy Jackson was #1.

    So Floyd fought Jackson. (June 57 ranking).

    The Radmacher match was an extra bout added weeks later. Floyd didn’t break camp from Jackson to take that fight.

    machen. Folley. Harris. Pastrano were #1, #2, 3, #4. In that order From July 1957 until August 1958 when the order changed to #1 Folley, #2 Machen, #3 Pastrano, #4 valdes , #5 Harris. Since Floyd defended his title in July 1958 it is factually correct that Floyd fought Harris when he was rated #3 in the July rankings.

    nothing wrong in that. Folley and Machen had drew, there was no time to wait for a rematch, so the champ took #3 Harris.

    Harris Losing to Floyd bumped Pastrano up to #3 and bumped Harris down to #5 in the August ratings. Maybe that’s what you are confused about?

    in October Ingo became #1, Brian London became #2, Valdes became #3, Folley became #4.

    But by may 1959 the ratings were #1 Ingo, #2 Cooper, #3, Folley, #4, Liston. So Floyd signed to meet his #1 Ingo in June and took his #9 (who had been as high as #2 in January) as a warm up weeks earlier in May.

    That’s all good. And true. Check the ratings.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    London had lost to Pastrano by unanimous decision,he beat Willie in the 2nd fight because of a badly cut eye.London was so undeserving of a title shot the BBBOC refused to sanction the fight and fined him for taking it!
    Folley was not out of the picture he was top ten rated for 8 consecutive years!
    Machen for 5 then again,for another after a years hiatus.

    I'm not spoiling my Sunday reading and replying to your typing "gymnastics",I'm out.
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Well you are only “out” because you were mistaken. Harris was #3. Don’t let that discourage you.

    In may London was #9 and a warm up for #1 Ingo in June.
     
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  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    But Folley was behind Ingo and Cooper in the ratings when Floyd was able to defend his title.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Incorrect. Brian was current #9 having fallen from #2 losing his British title to Cooper. And he was only a warm up for #1 Ingo who Floyd already signed to meet weeks later.
     
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