Did Dempsey beat any giants who could win a belt today?

I thought Butler could not manage to go 5 rounds ,and that he was on the floor twice , maybe,I saw a different fight?

 

No, you saw the same fight.
I was surprised he had the stamina to climb the ring steps, the shape he was in.

 

Lewis really lucked out that Butler "beat himself" as Don King said. Lionel really beat himself with the shape he was in.

 

Yeah. It is a lesson in human psychology.
It's like when everyone was saying Lionel Butler would never amount to anything, when he was being used as a tomato can in his early fights, he was strong and determined enough to persevere and prove a lot of people wrong ........ then when he reaches a point where people are telling he can go all the way, he blows it big time and throws away his biggest opportunity.

Even so, he was catching Lennox Lewis with some terribly crude looping punches from his fat little frame in that opening round. He was even prodding Lewis in the face with his left (can hardly call it a jab). Round 2 he was already gassed!

 

Yes. Wilder is very suspect, not even defending vs top ten men. Willard could beat him. Willard is best appreciated vs Johnson or Moran.

Fulton has a puncher's chance. So does Firpo.

If Martin, perhaps the worst belt holder I ever saw won a belt, so could some of Dempsey's opponents.

 

So, this is your big input, your great reveal... that Firpo was from Argentina? That there have been great fighters from Argentina? Really? I actually thought you might be smarter than this but at least now I know the level of dullard speaking here.

If you want to talk Argentine fighters you will quickly find yourself out of your preferred depth.

 

Whatever era Firpo fought in would not make a difference as far as trainers are concerned, he was too mean to pay decent money and sacked his last trainer to save expenses, for the same reason he would not have a manager.
He made Marciano seem like a free spender!

 

Shameless, did you lose your dictionary? Reveal-revelation? See, someone as dumb as you things have to be explained twice, by my saying what I said or wrote, was just stating that the boxing in Argentina has evolved since the 20's that's all, nothing else, the Firpo then would not be the Firpo now, no matter how cheap he was. "er there is no footage cos he was not fighting today, but if he were fighting today vs Wlad or Lennox he would not be the same fighter he was in the '20's. Since a simpleton like you compare's guys guys fighting today with a different era, put them together in a level playing field, in the '20's they fought with smaller gloves, and the style's were evolving. Put Firpo in the Lewis and Klitschko era Firpo would have been a totally different fighter, a guy like Firpo, with his size(6'2 1/2), Firpo was not an "undersized" HW, and he had power and the gonads to back it up. In today's world he would have a good trainer, who would shorten his punches and teach him how to fight in today's world. My point about about Argentina, was that since the 20's boxing in Argentina has evolved and has produced great fighters and great trainers. A HW with good size and power would be worth a lot of money and more than likely, have had a good trainer and promoter to take him to championship level. So in this world he would have at the very least a punchers chance against Wlad and Lennox who were bounced around and ko'd. That he would do the same in this era as he did in that era is a guess, you are guessing so why cant I, your guess is as good as mine. If he was a cheap guy he was also a businessman and he was that beyond doubt. With the millions around now for a HW that could punch c'mon be serious. He might have been like that in the '20's but now, some promoter in Argentina would have grabbed and sold him on the huge possibilities in today's boxing world. He wasnt stupid enough to stay in Argentina he came to the US, in the 20's cos while being cheap and mean, he was hungry for the gold in the US.
Again that he would do the same in this era as he did in that era is a guess, you are guessing so why cant I guess, your guess is as good as mine.

Shameless I accept your challenge, start a thread on Argentina's ATG's fighters and trainer's. Also start a thread whether Lewis and Wlad would have been as dominant in the '20's, with the HW's of that era who were hungrier and better trained and fought with smaller gloves.

 

Hey dumbf*ck...

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   a final revelation of information that has previously been kept from the characters or viewers.

Cuando regreso a puerto, podemos hablar de boxeo argentino.

 

I await your return, to see what fine reveals/revelations you may have. Just wondering why wait cant you do it off the cuff? What do you have to say that Argentina didnt change from Firpo's time? Or that Argentina didnt produce ATG, fighters and trainers, it's a well known fact that Argentina produced many great fighters and trainers. What are you going to produce? On the subject that we were talking which was Firpo, and if he were to be fighting now, that was the subject . Let me ask you is your switching to spanish mean something? Really I dont know what you can add to the discussion, Argentina, has produced many great fighters and trainers and just to let you know one of Argentina's ATG trainers, Amilcar Brusa, trained one of my guys, and I used Miguel Diaz, one of the best cutman working today, he is also from Argentina. Now please dont come up with Obscure facts and trivia. There was something else you might have forgottened, Just as a reminder,
This is what I said: I accept your challenge, start a thread on Argentina's ATG's fighters and trainer's. Also start a thread whether Lewis and Wlad would have been as dominant in the '20's, with the HW's of that era who were hungrier and better trained and fought with smaller gloves.

 

As Mr Boxed Ears touched upon, I'd not discount Willard winning a tussle with big chingy Fury.

No troll.

 

How many of the 'giants' of today would beat a 1921 Dempsey if they had been born in 1900 or before and been around then? How would Dempsey fare against the modern boys had he been born in 1970?

 

I'm a huge "progress" person, think Ali would have no chance against the true great shws of today. But that said, it's fairly easy to get a belt nowadays. Martin might not have even been a top 20 hw, and I'd favor Ali, Dempsey, and all the old greats against him.

 

It's great being a progress person in other sports and mediums but taking a sock on the jaw is the same since Adam was a lad. It has a depleting effect on performance. Nobody is punching a track and feild athlete.

As for progress, well. Tradesmen using modern tools might have a greater output but rely upon the technology far too much to benefit from the kind of efficiency old timers needed with hand cranked manual tools. Modern tradesmen would be at a huge disadvantage using manual tools by comparison. in theory however, the old craftsman could apply greater efficiency (absent in the modern counterpart) to the newer technology.

So there is a strong argument we lose something each time we move forward and things often balance out over all.

 

Fury would toy with that big oaf.