Did Dempsey blatantly foul Miske in their 3rd fight

Lots of books and articles mention him working in a brothel and saloon bars as a bouncer, also as a dishwasher. Or an informal bouncer, given drinks and food to hang around and sort out trouble occasionally. I think he mentioned it himself too. He was a hobo, he married a prostitute. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that he worked as a bouncer. It beats picking fruit 15 hours a day.

In later years he OWNED a brothel, Donna's Ranch, in Nevada.

Dempsey was no puritan.

 

I'm not sure why anyone would think stories of bouncing in brothels "libellous" or a smear on someone's reputation when that person was famous for beating men up in savage prizefights as a living.
What kind of morality is that ?

 

It can be hard to determine a blatant foul. Dempsey wasn't in trouble here nor was he retaliating from a foul the very ill Miske threw.

But Dempsey has a history of fouls, some of which were low blows.

 

Right, his opponents did to protect them from fouls and enforce rules.

Dempsey's filmed KO of a low blow / hook to the jaw, while Jack Sharkey was complaining to the referee, was such a moment.

I'd say DQ on the spot, which could be changed to a NC pending review.

Sharkey prior to the foul was taking it to Dempsey.

 

No evidence that the three right uppercuts prior to the ko blow were low. Examination of Sharkeys groin after the bout by the doctor assigned to this bout showed no signs any low blows were delivered. The ref stated adamantly that those three blows were NOT low.

 

Brothels were on nearly every street corner in the early 1900's. Getting a decent paying job as a bouncer for a former hobo like Dempsey wasn't a big deal then.
Neither would being a pimp. Jack Johnson was certainly a pimp, and admitted as much in his Mann Act trial.

Different times, different morals.

I will say that Dempsey was a habitual rabbit puncher. He hit Tunney so may times in the back of his head that I wonder if Tunney didn't get brain damage. Now one of you "classic" geniuses needs to tell me if rabbit punching was illegal in the 1920's because I don't know if it was or not.

 

Which books ?Which articles?

 

Johnson never admitted to being a pimp and he vehemently denied ever taking money from a woman. I've read the transcript of his trial .
You can do so if you buy Pollack's book on Johnson then you'll be informed on the subject.

 

Dempsey was coming into the fight at that point.
Sharkey was the one with the reputation for low punches.He lost the title because of one .
And he hit Phil Scott low .

"It is true that Sharkey, in his eagerness to finish his man, landed dangerously low once or twice with left hooks, but the blows were not hard"

There is no film of the Dempsey v Sharkey fight that gives a conclusive opinion on where the punches Dempsey threw landed prior to the left hook to the chin which kod Sharkey. The referee said a punch glanced off Sharkey's elbow and landed on Sharkey's thigh, he said it was not intentional.

" Flynn shouted to Dempsey between rounds, "Go to the body. He doesn't like it in the guts." Sharkey had a special tactic to protect his middle. He wore the belt of his boxing shorts high.
Dempsey's body blows slowed Sharkey in the sixth and Dempsey continued body-punching in the seventh. One punch bounced off a Sharkey elbow and landed against a hip. Another seemed—the newsreels don't show this clearly—to land below the high belt line. Sharkey turned to the referee, Jack O'Sullivan, and dropped his hands. He started to complain, "He hit me low and—" He did not finish the sentence. No prudent man facing Jack Dempsey in a prize ring dropped his guard. Ever.
Dempsey threw his great left hook into Sharkey's jaw. Sharkey fell and rolled awkwardly so that he was lying face down. He clutched his groin and writhed and winced. But he didn't start wincing until after Dempsey's hook to the jaw.He was hooked to the jaw and fell clutching his groin. O'Sullivan counted Sharkey out. "


You haven't seen any more of the blows than the rest of us ,and since Sharkey had his back to the camera ,you are talking out of your rectum yet again!

We really shouldn't expect an objective opinion from you ,you're the fool that confidently stated Louis lost to Walcott even though you haven't seen the complete fight!

 

Seamus posted here that Dempsey broke in virgins for white-slavers in brothels ,you don't think that libellous?
What kind of morals do you have?:huh

 

You have a history as a compulsive LIAR!

What can we do about that?

 

Oh Absentminded one, just watch the film. Dempsey goes low vs Jack Sharkey.

To say he didn't hit below the belt is a lie, and he took advantage of the situation by firing a hook while Sharky was complaining about it. Not very sporting.

Some quotes:

Sharkey dominated the early rounds. “I thought he was going to knock me out,” Dempsey admitted afterward.

Broadcaster Graham McNamee told radio listeners that Dempsey was "groggy" and appeared to be "going" after a Sharkey barrage in the first, the third, and again in the sixth.

James Dawson of the New York Times reported that Sharkey had "badly outboxed Dempsey," leaving the former champion to "flounder around the ring, flat-footed, bewildered, and staggering like a blind man finding his way."

Harvey Woodruff of the Chicago Tribune considered Dempsey "finished" in the fourth and a "gory sight."

Dempsey landed a series of low blows in round seven. Sharkey turned to the referee to protest, and Dempsey knocked him out with a left hook to the chin.
:deal

Now a chance to clear your lying ways, do you agree Dempsey went low or not?

 

No I most emphaticaly do not! The referee was right there and he said he saw no low blows Gene Tunney was ringside he saw no low blow ,I have only seen the film ,everyone else has.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So4fmOwRxqA

 

Uhh... this wasn't me, you old fart.

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Originally Posted by Russell
How's that title catch you?

Anyhow, thinking on things said in a number of threads over the past few months, I decided to create this thread, detailing all things especially sorrid that boxers have participated in.

Interesting stories of these men of high acclaim and virtue, basically.

I forget who said it, but supposedly Jack Dempsey was PAID to break in virgins at brothels.

"Basically, he drilled future *****s until they were prepped to be done in turn by other men.

I can only imagine some of the classy things hard living men like Sailor Tom Sharkey were a part of.
I had heard about 10 years ago on a Boxing special on Showtime that Dempsey was a professional ****** and that he worked in the White Slavery racket."

 

I didn't write this, either. Herbert Goldman did.

“The rumor was that he had been a pimp for Maxine between fights and that he married her to avoid prosecution under the Mann Act. In his autobiographies, he tries to portray himself as a love-struck kid who didn’t know she was a prostitute until after he was married. Will somebody please give me a break? He met her on Salt Lake City’s Commercial Street, which was the city’s red-light district. He was no innocent boy. He had been on his own for at least five years, living and fighting in the Wild West towns that existed mainly so that cowboys and miners could drink, play poker and get laid. In his autobiography, Jack wrote that he couldn’t understand why Maxine left him. The reason is that she was scared ****less of Dempsey because he dislocated her ****ing jaw.”