Did Dempsey blatantly foul Miske in their 3rd fight

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Did I say I had 6 autobios of Dempsey?

    You're getting fairly brilliant at misquoting people.
     
  2. Seamus

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    Again, I'm not going through your drivel in its entirety. But tell me this, do you honestly think that Kearns and Spellman did not pay off Maxine? Your answer will go a long way toward assessing your gullibility and naivete.
     
  3. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh so now you are a judge of "gullibility and naiveté", now that is funny and deserves not two but three:lol::lol::lol:
    Do I get a prize for making this much esteemed list.
    So just to be clear, you are assuming something that you have no proof of. Tell us cos you are a much esteemed historian and have "a dozen either by or about Dempsey on my shelf, have a file cabinet full of articles, and for what it is worth a signature."

    An article or citing a passage in a book is not proof, please don't come on here and say, well this article says this and that book says that. Give us what actual proof you have, let us judge for ourselves. Hearsay is not proof, what's that sound I hear? "Pfffff!!"

    Let's try an theoretical, lets assume she was paid off. Being a woman of ill repute she would more then likely need more money, did she hit up Dempsey again? She was no beauty queen, she was getting on in years, she couldn't have been making that much money cos now she is an old skinny bitty, playing piano and turning tricks for deaf, dumb and BLIND guys. Since you like to assume, assume she was broke again and needed cash, she could hit Dempsey for some quick cash, and "if that cheap ******* Dempsey don't cough it up why I know some newspaper guy would pay me big money for what I know about Dempsey."
    That never happened I wonder why? I am sure there were enterprising young writers, who would have loved to get a scoop. I am sure you will come up with some obscure article that mentions Cates, Kearns and Dempsey had a threesome and paid her to perform the Charleston for them. Yessir I can see it now. :lol::lol:
     
  4. Seamus

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    Again, you evade the question, which as much as gives me my answer.

    What's your proof that Dempsey actually won his bouts (outside of Johnson, Sudenberg, Meehan and Flynn) up till Willard? Articles? Hearsay? Books? Where is your proof?

    It's not as though we can print for these situations. But we do have some firsthand accounts. I only put these forth for your erudition, to make you the well-rounded scholar I know you can become.

    Do you pride yourself on your misogyny? Is the male gaze so pervasive in you that you must give Dempsey the pass and question only the motives of the female? Let's balance our opinions, shall we, in an effort toward true egalitarianism.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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    I could have 30, but it wouldn't mean i knew more than Mac. Books do not = no bias for starters.

    What i like about Mac is that he is a no BS guy and i can put a lot of trust in whatever he is putting forth.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    So, you prefer the less informed to those citing actual firsthand accounts?
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    Are you saying McVey is less informed and less credible than yourself when speaking of Dempsey?
     
  8. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  9. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To imply the things Seamust is trying to imply one need irrefutable evidence. You cannot go around besmirching the character of anyone by citing hearsay. He is dead wrong by doing so. He could not be more wrong.
     
  10. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't mean to be a smarta ss, but which first hand account are we talking about? The Cates meeting with Kearns. If you do have this first hand account, that is great, so tell me which of the three involved, Cates, Kearns and Spellman, gave this first hand account? Since all three according to you met and exchanged buyoff money, they are the only ones privy to a first hand account. Check your cerebral cortex it's low on oil.
     
  11. Seamus

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    McVey is an excellent poster and a reliably knowledgable fellow. But he is cantankerous and definitely guards the plate regarding his heros. You could do worse than believe his every word.

    However, I am asking you merely to consider the materials I post, some of which comes from those much more accomplished in this field of fistic than Mr. McVey.
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    It's good work if you can get it.
     
  13. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Not the same morals as a 1910s hungry itinerant worker and prizefighter in the American West.
    Different times, different environment, different morals.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Have you ever produced one shred of verified proof to back up any of your allegations is more germane to the point ?

    The answer is of course no!

    You're the arsonist standing on the sidelines with his matches in his pocket ,glibly saying," well there's no smoke without fire".
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yeah I'm a bit pedantic on this too I require PROOF.