did Dempsey use the plaster of Paris?

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  1. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I watched a doc and it says on his promoter or managers deathbed he admitted that he messed with Dempsey's gloves before the Willard fight.......

    Thoughts?
     
  2. nikrj

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  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    He would have needed it against Greb and Wills that's for sure
     
  4. Germanicus

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    I thought that question was put to bed decades ago. No, Dempsey did not fight with loaded gloves at Toledo.
     
  5. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    BULL****! Give it up. He would have destroyed them both. Sparring and fighting are entirely different. Your hatred of Dempsey has gotten very old
     
  6. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did Dempsey plaster the Parisian?

    Yes. In four rounds.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    He used a large metal bolt.
     
  8. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't think he did...ad I've read everything about it over the course of 40+ years. This Plaster of Paris **** was a yarn concocted by that vindictive scoundrel Doc Kearns.
     
  9. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you must know, Dempsey used a sledge hammer on Willard,

    but the sledge hammer has been edited out of the film,

    that is how the Illuminati do it when they fix boxing matches. The cover-up always includes doctoring the film.
     
  10. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The idea of loaded gloves has been disproven many times over the years. Plaster of Paris does not help punching power as it disintegrates upon impact. Furthermore there were eye witnesses to the taping of Dempseys hands. Finally there are photos of Dempsey sitting in his corner prior to the bout with his taped hands clearly visible. He had a light taping around his hands and no more.
     
  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thank you...this is true.
     
  12. mcvey

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    nquote=itsa;17183369]I watched a doc and it says on his promoter or managers deathbed he admitted that he messed with Dempsey's gloves before the Willard fight.......

    Thoughts?[/quote]

    YEAH ,he had it on his **** when he broke in all those

    drugged virgins for white slavers:patsch
     
  13. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I dont really believe Dempsey cheated against Willard. The evidence suggests he didnt. He entered the ring without his gloves, shook hands with Willard without gloves, and had his gloves put on under the view of Walter Monohan who was one of Willards seconds. The only thing that makes me think Dempsey MIGHT have had loaded wraps is that in 1920 (pretty soon after the fight, relatively) Jimmy DeForest, Dempsey's trainer for the fight, admitted that he had used wraps that hardened after being applied. He stated he used the same wraps for Kid McCoy, who also had unnatural power. There was a type of tape used at the time, which was often accepted by both both sides, which hardened. It was a bicycle or electric tape. It was usually black though. Dempsey's wraps were white. Thats not to say there couldnt have been white wraps that had the same hardening properties as the black ones but either way, and more importantly, Willard and his corner would have had to have known about and accepted these wraps and as such he and nobody else has any cause for complaint about the outcome. As such the fight shouldnt be held against Dempsey.
     
  14. Dubblechin

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    Based on his assumptions, I think the writer was discounting a theory that Dempsey's hand wraps were dipped in plaster and then wrapped while wet. If he entered the ring with plaster casts on his hands, I'm sure they would break and crumble.

    However, Antonio Margarito's knuckle pads were doctored with before they were covered and wrapped, and it nearly got past a team of officials and members of Mosley's camp.

    And many believe that wasn't the first time it happened ... even though officials signed off on Margarito's wraps before every fight. And there were never any "crumbs" in Margarito's gloves, because the treated pads were inside the wraps themselves.

    So I don't think it's out of the question that some treated knuckle guard was wrapped in Dempsey's gloves. He never beat someone like that ever again.

    And that article was written years before Margarito got caught. Once he was exposed, it was shown how easily it could happen, even with dozens of people and cameras watching.
     
  15. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dempseys gloves were not loaded. Period.