Did Diaz showed the blueprint how to defeat Marquez?

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  1. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    I know he lost but he was spanking JMM during the early rounds and i was shocked. pressure + chin + power

    Marquez has never been hit that much not even against pac. I always believe that Marquez will get back and adjust coz he is a great fighter but if Juan diaz had power on those punches he would have knocked out JMM during the first half of that fight.

    Marquez was open for the left hook whole fight... casa was landing the same punch, same punch pac landed that Knocked him down.

    Marquez is a very hard guy to beat but that was the first time i thought that he would get Knocked out.
     
  2. lfsdan

    lfsdan Active Member Full Member

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    At this point it's all theoretical. In theory if there was a fighter who applied as much pressure as Diaz with power he might have great success against Marquez. However I can hardly think of any fighter currently that has a workrate like Diaz. He is quite the animal, and if he had snap behind his punches he'd be a wrecking machine.
     
  3. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao showed it successfully and so did Chris John.
     
  4. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    No. Don't forget Marquez had fought two southpaws in 2008 and i think that might be why in the early rounds when Juarez would throw a hook JMM would put his hand out in font to block it instead of to the side but he made that adjustment pretty quick. Although maybe the left hook is JMM's weak point.

    IMO the way to beat Marquez is to stick behind a solid jab and not necessarily walk him down but rather mix up your punches so he doesn't know where to counter, use the left hook, move to his left away from his straight right and once you hit don't follow up on your punches but rather be ready to dodge the counter.

    Those uppercuts which he has always thrown beautifully will not work against someone who keeps his distance.

    IMO keep your distance, get off first (often with the jab), and be ready to defend the counter either by moving away or blocking. That is how you beat Marquez..

    Easier said than done, he is obviously a great fighter who could hang with the best of the best throughout history.
     
  5. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Juan layed it all on the line..He was younger, stronger and possessed good skills and speed himself.

    When you have a fighter coming at you that does that..you arent always going to look the best. But Marquez showed his class in the end. History has shown us many examples of this.

    To tell you the truth there really isnt another Juan Diaz type fighter around 135-140 at the moment..possibly Ricky is the best comparison.
     
  6. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    marquez heart and will is one of the best i've ever seen though...
     
  7. elgrancampeon

    elgrancampeon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Normally he is not so easy to hit but the sheer volume of punches thrown was simply to much. Holding would have saved him SO much trouble.... But I'm glad he did not... I absolutely loathe the use of it.
     
  8. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    It was pac's athleticism that won him the fight... style wise pac is tailor made for marquez.
     
  9. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Commentators said Marquez also landed more punches on Diaz than he has against any other opponent? That could tell the story here. Perhaps Marquez didn't need to defend himself as well as he normally does because he knew Diaz couldn't hurt him, so he took the shots to get in better position to fire his bombs. If Diaz had more power, perhaps Marquez would have been much more defensive minded.
     
  10. Imperial1

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  11. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    It's his speed, power, movement and ability to take a punch. But I do agree that if Pac was lacking his MAIN style(charge forward) is tailor made for Marquez. However, Pac can also fight defensive if he needs to and counter as he already proved numerous times.
     
  12. chimba

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    Diaz is the only one that could have done that to JMM. I mean just count the punch stats for both. Diaz forced that output. Problem is he got hit too much by a stronger puncher with no power to dish out.

    Pac would have been out if he took that much punishment from JMM. Fortunately Pac is an elusive mofo and has the speed and power to take risks.

    Pac needs to be a tad more patient next time with JMM. He was in their last fight but still got reckless in spots. Just cover that face at all times, JMM always throws the same combos. Theres a blueprint for JMM. Speed and patience ala Casa and John
     
  13. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    i think pac's southpaw stance is favorable for marquez coz he is open for the left hook. marquez usually starts or end his combos with a slashing uppercut.
     
  14. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    This is spot on. Id fight on the outside and eliminate JMMs game. Be patient and pick his spots. Hes got the speed and power advantage but he nullifies it by lunging into JMM. In Pacs defense, he did catch some of JMMs counters with his gloves but its hard to catch them all.
     
  15. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i dont think so. one needs power to beat jmm or equal or superior technical skills. he still lost so i dont think it was a good blue print. this also reminds me of the discussions of jmm exposing the blueprint to beat pac after their first fight. since the said blueprint, pac has only lost once and it was in no way similar to how the first fight with jmm went.

    i think these so-called blueprints are a bit overrated. i mean there could be ways to beat certain types of fighters but they still largely depend on the skills of the opponent. what i mean is even though you think juan diaz gave a blueprint to defeat jmm, how many fighters in the world could do what diaz did, ver few. so that means even if there is a blueprint, there is a very small chance that somebody's is going to use it successfully