Did Diaz showed the blueprint how to defeat Marquez?

Pac has figured out that uppercut. I didnt think JMM landed with alot of those. But he throws 6 punch combos. Pacs not going to catch it all. Id be patient and shoot that straight left all night, JMM cant stop that. Win by point if he needs to. PAc needs some smarts in that ring, hes got physical advantages against JMM

 

For sure. Like I said watch the Casa fight earlier rounds, Casa was hitting JMM with that left constantly, the problem is Casas bordering shot at this point and JMM caought up to him. John didnt give JMM much and John has no physical advantages over Pac whatsoever.. Pac can win with points, hes accurate and fast, 1-2 and move out.

 

True but PAc seems to hit JMM with alot of lefts no problem. He really just need to block those punches especially the right cross. Pac is still learning his D, he has improved greatly IMHO

 

Diaz is more relentlesss and has better workrate than Pac but I knew JMM would beat him because Diaz punches has less pop but the KO is surpirsing so it's a great performance by JMM.

 

jmm fights differently against different opponents.. he was hit many times also against jaca.. if he fights someone stronger, he would resort again to the strategy he employed against pac. and im pretty sure on that

 

i believe this one.. marquez keeps the distance as any excellent ring generals would do. now pac does is throw the big left, and ofcourse after that he is off balance, after that marquez swings when pac is inside. that's how the first fight went, starting from the first round.

now, in the second fight. pac used alot of feints so marquez was not that successful in his tactics. but he's effective in many exchanges (that's how good he is)

 

exactly, diaz just showed marquez will have trouble with you if you pressure him. If diaz would have had more power i think he would have knock him out. He landed so many shots but didn't have the power to hurt him.

 

yes, you must be big and must have stamina...im thinking of barrera...but i feel morales would school JMM

 

im thinking of morales...

 

I disagree, if anything one can make the claim that early on if you apply constant pressure to Marquez he can get rattled, however the problem starts when he begins ad******g in the later rounds and tweaking his defense where your pressure isn't quite as effective. Diaz wasn't the only person to show this, Pac obviously did as well, but the same common denominator is Marquez ended up ad******g to both there style. That or it take him time to get use to the opponents style, maybe? If anything one can argue that one can get an early KO off Marquez, by applying constant pressure in the first 2 or 3 rounds, but has to have enough bang to do so. Point blank constant pressure rattles him early, however he is able to overcome it or warms up to really go.

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Its no use friend, 99% of posters in boxing sites like this dont quite understand style issues.......
.....but you're absolutely correct, I saw the fight for the second time today, and although Diaz landed some good shots, I paid particular attention to the clean shots Diaz was landing......I found out that alot of Diaz' connects were shots that had been already deflected and taken the steam off by JMM.....
In return, Marquez was landing much more precise and cleaner shots.....
When you take in mind that punchstats shows JMM outlanding Diaz both in jabs and power connects even though he threw less, it really tells the story of the fight, particularly that Max Kellerman at ringside who noted that JMM's shots seem to be landing with more power and force.


.....but you're absolutely correct, if JMM had felt more power, naturallly he would have adjusted his plan, workrate, and defense as such.

 

JMM throws the same combos???:rofl:rofl:rofl

My friend, there is'nt a better fighter today, including Floyd Mayweather Jr, better at finding the angle and the creeses to throw and land his shots.....


You're right about Pac being out if he took the punishment that Diaz took.....Damn, Diaz can take a mean shot.....repeatedly getting hit with precise hard counters.....the type of counters that had Pac running to the ropes to reset, Diaz was trying his hardest to walk through and being succesful for stretches.

No question there is a blueprint to beat anyone, but like every great, 90+% of the time, that blueprint has to be executed by a great fighter himself.

.....and indeed, as someone has already mentioned, its always easier said than done.