Did Duran just have Leonards # that night, Or did Sugar just fight the wrong fight?

First of all, your logic fails because it relies on the premise that Duran II was just as effective and motivated as he could be. You're essentially saying, here look, Duran couldn't catch up to SRL in this fight, thus he couldn't, ever. There is no way for that sentence to be true, unless that was duran at his best. So you've proven that how?

Let me ask you this, does it sound unreasonable that SRL might have trained to fight a certain way. Utilizing more movement than we say, but not extensively more; because as we've seen and I've shown, SRL doesn't fight like he did in N.O. on the normal. On the contrary, he fights more like he did in Montreal. Is this not correct? Or are you really saying he typically fought like he did N.O.? If you're saying the later, then I'm not sure where we can go.

So, if we accept the reality, that while SRL didn't move as much as you've would've liked him to. We don't know exactly why do we? We know their strategy specifically not fighting like you're mentioning. So there's that. Then we have, SRL fight W.B., who was his best opponent to date, the same way. Circling boxing. Being the boxer puncher. That was his style to a tee. Did he move more than other times? Sure. Sometimes he used more lateral movement than others. However, that doesn't take away for the fact that he was a boxer puncher for the most part. Period. That was his style. You're trying to peddle some theory that SRL was some fighter who fought like N.O. more, and thus used the wrong strategy in the fight. That's incorrect because he fought like he knew best. Didn't work.

He also got hurt in the fight, and thus any adjustments might not come as fast. Took a savage beating to the body, and this might have also limited his movement. Point is, he tried to fight how they planned for months and how he fought best. He learned and tried a new style. It was better. No argument there. However, that doesn't prove your conclusion that SRL would always win fighting like that. That would presume, as I said earlier, Duran was at his best cutting of the ring-motivated-in shape self. So, if you know this to be true.. I'd like the proof of that.

If not, we are left with this. SRL best fight according to you, is to fight Duran like he did in N.O. an un-tried and un-tested way for him to fight in such a manner. Especially as exaggerated as that. But okay, sure, not what I'd call his most tried and tested formula. But in order for your premise to work, Duran would have had to be at his best then; yet we know this not to be true don't we? So what are we left then?

SRL fought the way he knew best, against the best WW version of Duran we've seen. He losses.

then

SRL fought a way that he never fought like before, after taking a loss, and beat an inferior version of Duran

Not sure how the above equates to SRL beats duran by using movement or that same strategy. I'd submit that a more motivated Duran, wouldn't be quite so easy, in fact, he might land enough to outpoint the fighting in spurts. Who knows. Maybe not. What I do know, is SRL fought like he knew best, got hurt, and lost to the best WW version of Duran. SRL then learned, fought a rather new fight in the hopes it would work, and it did, but in all honesty that speaks towards his loss. He literally had to try something he never had before in the hopes it would work. You don't do that unless your beaten convincingly. He was.

 

Baldly repeating the same incorrect statements over and over again doesn't make them any more true. I've already addressed them in multiple previous posts. In short--no, Leonard did not usually fight like he fought in Montreal; it was absolutely not "the way he knew best." As I've shown, when people attacked him or pressed the action, Leonard often got on his bike to disrupt their offense, reset the action, and to position himself to launch ambush attacks from the outside. This is obviously very, very different than how he fought in Montreal. We've covered this ad naseum but yet you insist on repeating the same falsehoods. And along these lines, yes, he did use the type of movement that he used in New Orleans in several of his previous fights, albeit with more variation and far less holding. These things are a difference of degree though; Montreal, by contrast, was a brand new strategy.

 

A controversial split decision loss to Mijares, who while not immortal took Randy Shield's 0 in his 7th pro fight and was recognized as the best light weight in the world behind only Duran and DeJesus.

And beat name opponents, lost controversially to Mijares, and upset a prime so called all time great in a more relevant time frame.

If you say so.

 

This theoretical opponent might see the final bell and lose on points, unless Duran gets really fat and can't fight his fight.

 

And you attempted to prove this by showing a few clips from a fight where Duran otherwise took apart and destroyed a guy that could be described as the Jimmy Young of the Light weighs?

 

Don't forget the Viruet fight too! (I was just joking when I said that it was a mirage). Bottom line remains the same: you're a clown if you if ignore all the other evidence in favor of this fairy tale that Leonard didn't run against Duran because Duran cut off the ring too well and wouldn't let him. That's not "hate" or any knock against Duran: He still fought a hell of a fight and took full advantage of the available opportunities!

 

Sure, that's possible. But only someone who doesn't really understand boxing or who hasn't seen Duran (and Leonard's) prior fights against mobile (and aggressive) opponents would think that Duran cut off the ring so well that he could force that fast, explosive, elusive opponent to fight toe to toe and on the ropes if the opponent were intent on fighting the style of fight I described.

 

So you're saying he typically fought more like he did in N.O. than he did in Montreal? If you actually believe that, than you know next to nothing about boxing or SRL. You can't fight one fight, not one, where he fought like he did in N.O. prior to Montreal. Even after Montreal you won't find it. The closest would be Hagler, but even that was a little different. Point me to one fight where he fought like he did in N.O. or even close. I can submit multiple fights when he fought like Montreal. Him not quite moving as much doesn't mean it was a new strategy. That is one of the worst logical deductions I've ever seen. Using a little more lateral movement in fights, isn't a whole new strategy. He punched the same, still circled, still retreated, still through hooks the same, jabs the same. I could go on and on about how more things are similar than different. I can come up with vastly more things similar than you can different. Would you care to take up the challenge then? Thus, you can never saw he fought totally different, he just didn't move as much, but that had more to do with Duran and his pre fight strategy than anything.

Further, I love how you avoided specific parts of my posts, because you know they destroy your argument. You must be making the claim that Duran was in the best shape he could be, and was at his best in cutting of the ring in N.O. You must feel like way because you've said SRL always beats Duran using his legs. In order to make such a claim, Duran must've been at his best. Prove it, or concede you have zero proof to back up said statement.

 

How can you prove hypothetical.

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I've already backed up everything that needs to be backed up and explained my strong disagreement with most of what you've written multiple times at this point. Your refusal to acknowledge differences that seem obvious and fundamental to me shows that this exchange is futile. I only hope that other, more disinterested and open-minded readers have taken more away from my posts.

 

Just so we're clear. It's your claim that SRL typically fought like he did in N.O., and that was more his style, than Montreal. Is that your claim?

 

Viruet was described as a master boxer, and he lost two lop sided fights because he was too negative and appeared to be looking only to survive. Duran stll cut off the ring and forced him to clinch constantly.

You have watched these fights? Or only seen them?

 

You never did answer the basic question. If SRL had options to get off the ropes, then why didn't he? You think it's fun sitting along the ropes getting your ribs caved in, while losing the fight. Watch the 2nd round again. SRL essentially got mauled most of that round. The first half of the 3rd was much the same.

 

No no no no Kevin has enlightened us all, didn't you know; SRL usually fought like he did in N.O. The clowning, literally almost running away at times.... that is how he typically fought. Oh wait, he never fought like that before... odd.

 

I could be wrong but I'm getting the impression you don't really know either guy's prior history.