Did Duran just have Leonards # that night, Or did Sugar just fight the wrong fight?

He only did that when he knew could get away with it, it wasn't like he even fought that whole fight that way, it wasn't until he appeared to realize Duran was a few steps slower.

Duran was still cutting Leonard off in the early rounds but he would get beat to the punch, and Leonard would spin off the ropes.

Leonard was too sharp overall, kind of an insult it is implied he just ran from an out of shape Duran.

 

Reversal of an imposing of wills. Durans will the first. Leonard's will the second

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LOL. Have you watched these fights? Or did you only read about them on google this afternoon? If skinny, pillow-punching Viruet is a "master boxer," what, pray tell, is Leonard? :think Who knows what would have happened if Viruet had a fraction of Leonard's power?

Another clip of Duran being a master at cutting off the ring against mobile boxers...

https://streamable.com/hi2l

I could post clips like this from any number of rounds in the fight. (Here's another funny one: https://streamable.com/crzr)
Viruet didn't have the physical gifts to beat Duran but only the most ridiculous cheerleaders could watch a fight like this and fail to recognize the potential effectiveness of using constant lateral movement to blunt Duran's aggression and create openings for attacks.

If you think that Duran did a great job cutting off the ring against Viruet, then you don't know what it means to cut off the ring. :-( A lot of the clinches were mutually initiated... often when Duran jumped in and grabbed Viruet with one arm so that he could try to hit him with the other.

 

I could have read about these fights on Google or watched them in the past or recent present, you have to decide for yourself.

Viruet was a tall light weight with very long arms who instead of sitting on his punches, focused on staying out of range and peppering. You now look on this negatively?

Viruet was described as a master boxer by the contemporary writers if his time, if you want clarification and a comparison in that context, ask them?

If Viruet had a fragment of Leonard's power would it make a difference? Did Leonard ever visibly hurt Duran?

Ok, again with the hand picked clips that still show Duran closing the gap against a man literally running from him.

Well constant lateral movement with no intentions of winning a fight, can also be described as running in circles.

Duran was looking to work inside, Viruet was not.

 

I agree that it was a little bit of both but I don't think Duran would have won had Leonard been as good as he was in their rematch.

As for the rematch? That was a combination of Leonard being at his best and Duran not being at his best. I do think that this Leonard is better than the Duran who beat Leonard in their first fight.

 

Hey, So I joined Streamable too: I can't post the links directly but just delete the space after "https" and you are there.


https ://streamable.com/7sl6
(Duran cuts off a circling Viruet and gives him hell the rest of the round)

https ://streamable.com/iye3
(Duran uses right hand leads to stop Viruet from circling to his left and again, bulls him into the corner)

https ://streamable.com/1sb7
(Now this is the first match you keep clipping. Viruet clowns at range with the "Ali Shuffle" but Duran doesn't bite and clips him with a big left hook as he tries to spin away)

https ://streamable.com/snub
(Duran clinic here with Viruet running for his life.

Viruet tries to run but Duran closes the distance and catches him with a left and later a right that "knocks him off balance to the canvas"

They reset, and Duran feints with a left and moves him into another right hand. After another reset, Duran feints a right and knocks him into the corner with a big left hook. Viruet fighting the wrong fight, maybe.)


We'll see what I stream for the Leonard fight.

 

Uh oh...
(once more, delete the space after https)

https ://streamable.com/enua
(Round 1: Slow motion for your benefit, Leonard going toe to toe, fighting the wrong fight....actually using lots of lateral movement, dancing and exploiting his reach to stick and move. This would be enough to frustrate Duran in the rematch. In this fight, Duran doesn't catch him yet in this sequence but he stays with him. )


https ://streamable.com/ttsk

(Round 1: A direct continuation of the above sequence, Duran quickly cuts off Leonard and catches him on the ropes. Look at Duran's foot work in slow motion, not saying it is god like but...wow. Leonard can't shake him and is forced to shell up. After the break, Leonard has much less space to work with.)


https ://streamable.com/9pyr

(Round 1: Duran cutting off a lateral moving Leonard once more ..Leonard retreats from a stalking Duran, shuffles but Duran forces him to the right with a hard feint, Leonard is out of space with his back on the ropes and is forced to exchange) Dramatic Commentary: "LEONARD WANT'S TO TRADE WITH HIM!"..and you ate it up.

 

LOL. Much respect for getting on board and posting some clips. I look forward to watching them and replying with 10X as much footage of Leonard plainly, deliberately standing his ground and minimizing his movement.

 

Great clip but as I'm certain you know, a complete blip of an anomaly (maybe that's why you slowed it down-- to make it seem more substantial? :think). Had Leonard attempted to use this kind of fighting style and movement throughout, it would have been a completely different fight.

 

We're watching two different clips. I've found that for some reason a lot of folks here seem to go crazy any time Duran gets aggressive and throws a bunch of fierce-looking punches, even when few of them land clean or do much damage (a big reason why many of the less perceptive fans think that Leonard-Duran I was some kind of a lopsided blowout instead of a very close fight). Duran didn't do much damage at all in this clip. Duran certainly got the better of that sequence through his higher workrate, but to call that a "clinic" seems a bit fanboy-esque.

PS - Duran "knocked" Viruet to the ground??

 

Of course you ignore the two clips where Leonard continues to use this style of fighting and gets cut off by Duran, so you are now free to propose a hypothetical scenario where that doesn't happen.

 

You can address my actual observations or ponder the musings of this hypothetical fan you created.

 

I suppose you could. Leonard does throw punches and tries to hit Duran at various points.

Maybe he should have used constant lateral moving..running in a circle and losing the fight in lopsided like Viruet.

 

This is why your argument fails.

I've already covered this areas before, and showed you a clip of the exact same things. Numerous times in this very thread I implored you to watch Round 1 to see this very thing. That IS how the tried to fight... and THEN WHAT HAPPENED??? He got shock up in the very next round. He verbally says his mind is in a haze for 3-4 rounds.

YOU decide you're going to dismiss this. Sorry, but SRL opinion on his condition after the punch is EXPONENTIALLY more factual than your view of it. So he's in a haze, eats more vicious body shots. Gets stunned again with a right cross in round 3 and holds on some more.

THEN holding to form, after SRL comes out of his haze and being hurt. He starts to move more again. Look at round 8-13. He's trying to move more than he was in 3-7. Fitting perfectly with him being in a haze for those rounds he moved less. However, Duran caused that. Duran caused SRL to get stunned. Further, him being stunned totally changed the fight. It made SRL react to the feints of Duran. This also limited SRL's rhythm and style. Again, that is Duran doing that, it didn't just happen cause SRL choose to. Yet, I'm sure you'll continue to misrepresent this fight as SRL just choose the wrong strategy, Duran didn't do anything to force SRL into fighting that way. No no no.

 

Since Duran actually won both fights against Viruet I don't really know what your point is?

Could other fighters avoid fighting Duran for most of the fight and lose convincingly?

I'm sure there's lots.

The scoring in the 2nd fight was 73-65, 71-65, 73-68. This isn't even close.

If I'm not mistaken, that's the same fight that a newspaper reporter described as a fly buzzing around the mouth of a lion.

I guess in the world you live in surviving, and going the distance, equates to winning some kind of moral victory.