Did Duran just have Leonards # that night, Or did Sugar just fight the wrong fight?

I'll look forward to it, but do yourself a favour and save some time by not quoting the scorecards of insignificant fans, or other ring side observers, or indeed journalists in general.

As far as I am concerned in the overwhelming majority of cases these people have nothing like the knowledge or experience of the official judges when it comes to scoring fights.

 

I believe the 4 point difference registered by judge Tabat was about right. I certainly didn't agree with Millers score, but he still had the right winner.

I have no interest in the likes of AP unofficial scorecards. There is a reason official judges are seated on the ring apron on 3 sides of the ring.

 

I'd call this ludicrous Foxy, but it's beyond that. All to try and save face on not knowing how the Hagler - Duran fight and it's scoring went down on the grand scale.

There are countless examples of digusting scoring and judges not having one iota of a clue. The judges in the Hagler fight did not have a clue, and nor do you if you think they did. They were unanimously condemned from all quarters, including those that did have a clue sitting at ringside.

Writing every man and his dog off excepting the three blind mice in an effort to support your (faulty) contentions is not gonna cut it sorry.

 

BOLLOX.

When it suits your pathetic argument you quote the paranoia of Hagler and the Petronelli brothers.


So I will ask you again. If the judging was so " clueless, biased, crooked " or whatever other ridiculous claims you can dream up, why the fuk was one of the judges allowed to judge Haglers next fight.

I find your MO quite hilarious to be honest. You whine about sarcasm and such, but refer to 3 men who between them judged or reffed almost 900 fights at all levels including both National and World title as the 3 blind mice. You will forgive me if I don't take you too seriously. But then again I take very few armchair judges seriously.

 

To give sound decisions like Toney-Tiberi, Pea-Chavez, DLH-Tito, Lewis-Holy or having Tyson level with Douglas at the time of the stoppage?

 

Though I may or may not agree with any assumption of crooked judging in some of these instances with the King / WBC Chavez, Tyson, Williams, Tito connections, I can see why someone might believe that to be the case.

But in any event what the fuk has that got to do with Duran / Hagler?

What was in it, and for who if the motive was to try to make Duran the winner?

 

It has to do with you saying: "I have no interest in the likes of AP unofficial scorecards. There is a reason official judges are seated on the ring apron on 3 sides of the ring."

Sometimes judges plainly get it wrong, for whatever reason. Duran-Hagler is one case. Everyone I've seen who's not a Duran fan scoff at how close the cards were. Duran-Benitez is another where all the cards where too close. A shutout in favor of Benitez wouldn't be wrong there. It's somewhat like Kalambay-McCallum or Pea-Whitaker for me: there were some close rounds but hardly a really clear round for the one who lost (or should have lost in the case Pea-Chavez).

Kalambay only won by a round on two of the judges' cards by the way. Sometimes the judges just get it wrong.

 

All the above is your opinion, and worth no more or no less than anyone else's. I personally give as much credence to armchair critics as I do to used toilet tissue.

Everyone is an expert until they actually try to do the job themselves. :yep:yep

Again you haven't answered the questions. if the judging in the Hagler / Duran fight was either biased or inept.

1. Who stood to gain what, and why?

2. Why was one of the judges who only gave Hagler the nod by 1 point invited to judge Haglers next fight 4 months later in the same city for the same SAC?

 

Am I wrong, or are you trying to come as some boxing professional? It would be highly surprising if you are one, because you sound merely like a snotnosed kid.

This whole forum is dedicated to hypothesis and opinion. If you don't like it get out. Be safe in the knowledge that no one will miss you.

I don't know if it was wrong due to bias or ineptitude, and don't really care. I just know that all but Duran fans have the concept of Duran winning after 13 as laughable, and for good reason. Let me guess, you fall into the fan category?

 

I think you have me confused with somebody who gives a fuk about what you are, what you think, or what you say.

You seem to be another fool who can't read. I said I believe Duran was ahead after 12 rounds, not 13. So if you are to appoint yourself as a critic, at least try to get your facts right. There are a hand full of posters on here whose opinions I at least respect, though I may not necessarily agree with. Rest assured you could NEVER be one of them.

Idiot. :hi:

 

I have noticed none of the so called experts in this thread have got anything to back up their imbecilic opinions on WHY the officiating in the Duran / Hagler fight was allegedly so crooked or inept, and for WHOSE benefit. We have had the childish references of bias, ineptitude, even sentimentality, but no reasons. Why am I not surprised?