did emanuel stewart hurt wladimir more than he helped?

Dude you don't make any sense. Wladimir Klitschko's career was almost finished before he hooked up with Stewart. At one point his own brother told him to retire. Wladimir Klitschko was no great fighter before Stewart. He got knocked out Sanders and Brewster. The so called "great fighter" you're talking about was exposed and did not have the the Aura that he had under Stewart. He did not know how to pace himself and his jab did not become the devastating machine that it became under Stewart's tutelage.

Had Wladimir taken the Roach rout he will be just like Amirk Khan, getting knocked down and constantly getting knocked the **** out by mere contenders. Seriously why do guys keep bring up Roach? the guy is only known for one fighter. Emmanuel Stewart was an expert on building guys of Wladimir's size into legends. There is reason Lennox Lewis never left even after getting KO'd by Hasim Rahman. Seriously I don't even know why this topic is up for debate.:huh

 

If you are a Wladimir fan, as I am, then you should be thanking your Higher Power of choice every night for Stewart entering Wladimir's career.

 

Stewart's method gave vlad a very long career at minimum risk .He could use the clinch to lock a guy up inside as in Germany he was not penalised this was very effective but also very boring .it works against shorter or less skilled fighters and stops them throwing punches.As long as vlad was upright at the end of the fight he was declared the winner.the weakness in this system is if a opponent can jab from range then vlad cannot grab them this is what fury did and vlad could not adapt .if as many on this forum think that vlad will change his style and become more aggressive then he runs the risk of walking into a big shot and getting KOed this was the reason he changed his style in the first place.We will see.

 

Emmanuel resurrected Wladimir's career after everyone else wrote him off.

 

Eh, kind of, yes.

At leat, it can be argued so. Because Steward could have kept what was good in Wlad's style and fixed his issues.

Instead he just reduced all to the minimalistic style we know. The reason he did so is because Steward trained Lennox, a boxer the exactly same size of Wlad, and with a worse chin. So he tought that if that style was good enough for Lennox, it would have worked for Wlad, too. And it did, and it would work with any big boxer, but it left some big downfalls:

1- you aren't adaptable, after years of stricly adering to a formula, and

2- That style is too much reliant of having the "outboxing" advantage: if an opponent instead is taller/has a longer reach, or is more mobile (and Tyson Fury fit all tree categories), you're gonna struggle, and badly.

Wach for example was taller, but Wlad had the much superior footwork, allowing him to box circles and darting in and out of danger zone.

So yeah, it worked so far, but now that Wlad is older, and an old dog, that style will be his downfall evenin the Fury rematch. A more variegated, fluid style would have made the first one closer. Tyson would have still won, but not by shutdown.

 

To clarify: as others are pointing out, that style was not unbeatable, but it was what Wlad needed at that time of his career.

So it helped more than harming, but now it's the reason Wlad have been schooled once and will be schooled twice by Fury.

 

That's how I see it too. I am really hoping Klitschko will bring something new to the table this time round.

 

The fact he needed the services of A Hall of Fame trainer to stay top of the worst division in the sport tells you all you need to know. The division being devoid of any talent even backed up by Manny Stewart himself.

Vitali didn't need Manny when he beat Sam Peter far easier than Wlad. Wlad couldn't even beat a past it Peter in a rematch without chronic usage of fouls.
Wlad was always a manufactured fraud.

 

Cus D Amato said he succeeded when he made a fighter a champion AND independent of him.
I don't think Manny did the 2nd part with Wladimir. Wladimir has absolutely no plan B, and so when offset v the bigger man, who kept making him react to feints, and that he was unable to jab and grab, he was undone.

 

I think from an entertainment perspective steward did ruin him. But as a fighter he made him the force he became. Without steward as someone said wlad would have been ko,d by more fighters.

The more time passes the more you realise that steward really was the best around. What he done with hearns pretty much made his name but it was the other stuff that made him a legend.

Cant think of a single trainer out there today that is as good as steward was. You just get the feeling that steward would have solved the tyson fury puzzle.

No disrespect to banks steward was just very very good.

 

I am not a big fan of Lenni's chin but even i have to concede that he might have a better chin than Wlad. Wlad has been floored countless times compared to Lenni.

 

Vlad never was an offensive monster, and on top of that, his chin was soft as doctor's cotton. If is wasn't for Manny he would have become a laughing stock.

 

From a practical point of view he allowed Wlad to win, but in the most boring and underhanded way possible. Otherwise Wlad may have been in many more great fights, including ones where he would get koed.

 

He hurt him in terms of entertainment value yes, but without him Wlad would never have been as good. Pre-safety Wlad would have been better vs Fury (though we're comparing a much younger Wlad to one that's near retirement) but Wlad would never have had the dominant career he's had prior to that loss. So no, he still helped more than he harmed.

Though I'm not sure if Steward is to blame for Wlad being so overly cautious, Steward always told him to throw more punches and what not, but perhaps instilling that safety first approach changed Wlad's mentality to the extreme, wouldn't say that's Stewards fault though.