Did Firpo turn down 2 offers to fight Greb for a substantial purse, why?

Kr apper, another one of many that you post that you cant back up, like the Kearns "stalling", now this that Firpo RAN, from Greb lol.
Is this where all your research led you to make these unsubstantiated claims?

 

Not to beat a dead horse but you did say "Greb was game and wanted it. Firpo, in his own words wanted someone less threatening.". Ok what was the offer and why did Firpo turn it down, "less threatening", makes no sense, Greb was a MW, with no pop. It's a question that's all and should be answered since you know all about Greb you do tend to exaggerate in favor of Greb.

 

I dont think that buying his book would enlighten me further on this cos from his past posts he tends to exaggerate in favor of Greb. I cant see Firpo running from any fight let alone a MW with little pop in his guns. I tend to think this would have been a bad fight and a dangerous one for Greb. Greb relied on his speed, his awkward style and that he wouldnt let a guy get set. How would he have done with a bull rushing, wild swinging puncher who just threw his shots he just swung he didnt rely on getting set. Maybe it just as well that the fight didnt happen, but I still think "ran" is a bit of an exaggeration.

 

Here 'tis professor, now on to the next question:

The "Kearns stalling killed the Greb fight in Pitts., those are your words. First off "stalling" is a well known business practice, which was and still is a way to get better terms. The Pitts guy wanted to pay 35% and Kearns wanted 50%. Kearns FYI, had every right to negotiate how and for what he wanted. He was under no obligation to even consider it, let alone accept it.

Your response:
"You can call it what you want but EVERY time a generous offer was floated to Dempsey both he and Kearns, not just Kearns, found an excuse not to accept."

-Who is the judge of this generous offer, you? Apparently it wasnt generous enough, but let's take it a bit further, under what obligation was Dempsey, to accept this generous offer? I will answer it for you "NONE".

"In every instance they either took on a lesser opponent, or simply did not fight.

-Tell me again under what obligation was Dempsey to accept any offer to fight Greb? Why are you trying to prop up Greb, using Dempsey to do so. If he fought who he fought lessor or not it was Dempsey's decision, which he had every right to fight or not fight, your interpretation is that Dempsey, was afraid, embarrassed, ducked or whatever. Not so.

"If it were one isolated incident you might have point but it wasnt. It happened five or six times in regards to Greb and innumerable times in regards to Wills.
Ive covered this ground with you before with numerous examples and citations, far outweighing anything youve ever brought to the table."

-I bring common sense and knowledge of the business which you seem to be solely lacking. You know and it has been covered in numerous articles of the time why Wills and Dempsey didnt fight. So stop with with the spewing of manure on Wills and Greb.

Why are you ignoring what was the feeling at the time, Greb was a 5'8 MW, with no pop, he was just too small, if like you say you know all that there is to know about Greb, then this must also be in your book, what respected writers were saying. Even Greb had reservations which also should be in your book.

The fact is you CHOOSE TO BELIEVE what you want to BELIEVE. The record, Dempsey's record, and the behavior of both he and Kearns shows a very clear pattern.

-Thats right I apply common sense and I have a right to that.

"That is indisputable. Stalling CAN be a business practice BUT if you have a limited amount of time for the promoter to be able to stage the event and you stall past the point that he can have the arena built, print tickets, etc then it isnt a business tactic, its ducking."

Again, the answer is so simple which you seem to ignore, cos it doesnt fit your ducking claim. First, that is not Dempsey's or Kearns, fault. The promoter was dumb, to plan a fight, without doing his homework namely, getting the negotiations out of the way and having the signatures in place then set a date. This he didnt do instead he already had a date in mind but was still negotiating terms, he wanted to give up 35% and Kearns wanted 50%, the promoter decided it was too much. What promoter worth anything doesnt allow for having the arena built, print tickets, etc.? If there was a time limit meant there was pressure on the promoter to get it done, he didnt end of story but to you that was proof of Dempsey ducking Greb, which again, and this is getting tiresome Dempsey was under no obligation to even consider.

"As for the percentage etc, you can only cut the pie so many ways before you price yourself out of the promotion. Its done all of the time as Im sure someone with even your limited intellect is aware."

-Boy are you deluded, then what you are saying that this promoter was trying to play with the big boys and didnt have the money or the wherewithal to make the fight happen. Dempsey was the champ, and he set a price which he had a right. So there is your answer, thanks for bringing it up. Even with my "limited intellect", I am aware but since you wrote this I guess you do not have the limited intellect" to figure it out, cos you answered your own statement.

"You cant argue both sides of the argument, if Greb was such a weak opponent then anyone as supposedly devastating as Dempsey would have been jumping at the chance to pick such a huge sum for such supposedly easy work."

-Maybe to you the amount was huge, to Dempsey and Kearns perhaps it wasnt. Since you still DKSAB, you argue the same point, that Dempsey ducked Greb. Use your commonsense why fight a MW with no pop, and if you beat up a smaller guy, what does that do the public will get on him for fighting a MW, you must know what was said after the Carp fight about Carp's size. Anyway Dempsey made a business decision and he stuck by it, he didnt fight Greb.

If Dempsey thought the fight was so challenging that he wanted to wring every cent out of the promoter for such a risk then you have to admit that Greb wasnt such a bad challenger anyway.

Jeez just as I thought you reached the depth of your lack of knowledge you come up with an dumber statement. This is professional boxing you are supposed to wring every cent that you can for any opponent thats the nature of the beast. Maybe you should suggest that for "A" level guys they should get a huge amount, then for a "B" level guy you should get a much lessor amount. I hate to tell you this but then the poor "B" level guys would not fight at all, which happens all the time. The HW championship is the Gold standard, champions know sooner or later they will get the amount they are looking for so they can wait.