Did Floyd Mayweather Snr take Ricky Hatton backwards or forwards ?

I gotta admit that Hatton perform well against Malignaggi but come on with or with out Sr. Hatton would've beat Malignaggi. I still believe that trying to change a boxer at that point of his career is meaningless.

 

Neither. It was all a waste of time and a bad fit. At that stage in Hatton's and Pacquiao's respective careers, however, there isn't a trainer that would have made a difference in the outcome.

 

His punch resistance went down hill before FMS got with him, not much he could do about that.

 

A lot of valid points raised on this thread. However, I think too much emphasis is being placed on a perception that FMS was attempting to convert Hatton's style. I think he knew what he had with Hatton and went into this with his eyes wide open.

The most prominent [added] feature of the Hatton/Malignaggi bout was Hatton's patience in his grinding down of Paulie. His workrate was lowered and more evenly spread across rounds, although his accuracy seemed reduced as well. Nonetheless, thanks in part to Malignaggi himself, Hatton looked revived as opposed to reworked and, more importantly, marketable again.

In my opinion, very little had changed with Hatton other than the appearance of this thin layer of "patience", which was augmented by Malignaggi drifting out of the fight from about round 3 onwards. Stopping Malignaggi gave the impression of a resurgent and powerful Hatton but this was a potentially dangerous fallacy.

I honestly believe that both FMS and Hatton went into the Pacquiao bout, thinking they could win by simply reproducing what they had done, in the bout prior. Moreover, I do think that FMS played a big part in this approach and that both he and Hatton shared a view that Pacquiao was too small for them to be overly concerned about, in terms of power.

This was their big mistake - I don't think FMS and Hatton did anything differently from what they had worked on for Malignaggi, other than perhaps totally underestimate the man in front of them. As for FMS giving instructions during the sole one minute period he would have to do so - I don't put must stock in them because, as far as I'm concerned, FMS was as shocked shitless as Hatton and it was probably only at this point that he realised there was absolutely no chance they were going to win this fight.

In short, FMS knew what he had and he thought it would be more than enough to topple a smaller Pacquiao; The impressionable Hatton bought into this idea like the lemming who was told he had a parachute. Both were culpable in the collapse of their shared delusion.

 

How could he get down to 140lbs the morning of the fight, when the weigh in is the day before?

 

Forward..... literally

 

did floyd sr. do ricky...from the back or from the front....is that the question?

Well, it doesn't matter really. Floyd Sr. did Ricky. :good

 

He TRIED to take him forward but Hatton just lacks the skills to be a real boxer.

 

Forward, face first IMO.

 

I said before that Mayweather was the wrong trainer for Hatton.

Mayweather tends to change a boxer's style instead of trying to improve on what a fighter does best.

The moment that they were saying that Hatoon would be a boxer started the dooom of Hatton. You simply can not unlearn 10-20 years of experience in 2 months. Even Pacquiao have to evolve over several years.

 

I think it comes down to the old saying "You can't teach an old dog new tricks"
Mayweather Sr. tried to make Hatton more of a classic boxer. Perhaps this would have been a good Idea 10 or 15 fights or even 20 fights befoer but by than Hatton was set in his ways.

 

its hard to say. Hatton made some subtle improvements in the malignaggi fight and maybe had the pac fight gone longer we could have seen him implement his new skills but I think he lost his composure when he got hit and was shocked that pac was the stronger fighter and that he hit as hard as he did (watch the very first clinch of the fight pacquiao walks hatton back across the ring, this although minor to me suggested this wasnt going to be a good night for ricky). When I did sport psychology we learnt a lot about memory in sports and we learnt that in a nutshell when pressured people always resort to old form (or to that which is best learnt) and for ricky this was applying reckless pressure because this was what he knew best and what he had gotten away with before.

Some interesting points from the fight though;
1)if you watch the UK sky sports broadcast you hear jim watt mention that hatton's tactics were naive. I believe this to be very true and i think he thought that in his fights with pacquiao and mayweather he'd be the stronger man and he'd be able to outmuscle and outwill them and have his chin bail him out. Doesn't work against the best
2) listen to the dialogue between rounds floyd sr is telling him the basics (keep your hands up, head movement, jab your way in etc) ricky wasnt even really paying attention and lee beard was trying to talk at the same time. From what i understand beard and mayweather had disagreements over fight tactics and I think mayweather jr confirmed this in a sky sports interview when he was here in london. Mayweather sr also said between rounds "you shoulda been listening to me from day one" which makes me think ricky was being too loyal to beard and adopted his fight tactics instead of floyds.

Anyway I've digressed in short it's hard to tell because the relationship was a short one and because the pac fight was so devastating and finished so abruptly

 

Hatton was just full speed ahead with Pac it was like he was a stray dog with rabies....he ran smack into Pac!

It just didnt look like Hatton had any gameplan or anything he was just so amped an all over the place

 

The old *** screwed up Hatton!