Did Floyd/SHO really lose Saturday?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by markq, Sep 16, 2013.


  1. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd was so convincing in his victory, I wonder if people will hesitate to buy future PPVs. Canelo was considered by many as his only real threat from 154 down and it was lopsided, anticlimactic. Almost seems like SHO/GBP were banking on a rematch since they made the fight so early in Floyd's six fight contract.

    Other than Pacquiao; what other fighter has a large enough fan base and status worthy of a PPV fans will buy en masse? I can only think of Mayweather-Guerrero like PPVs going forward.
     
  2. boxing4ever

    boxing4ever Active Member Full Member

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    Somehow people will try and turn a record breaking fight into a negative. Watch it hit 2 mil ppv buys and people try and turn it into a negative.

    Canelo can come again.
     
  3. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not turning it into a negative. Saturday's event was very successful, I won a case of beer. I'm talking about long term ramifications.
     
  4. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's definitely an interesting topic and a conundrum that Showtime has on their hands.

    Luckily for them, they have until next May to find some contender, build him up like he's the next ATG and than feed him to Floyd. It'll be interesting to see who that next guy will be.

    My money I guess would be on Garcia. Danny has to probably get one more fight under his belt before next May though- probably in Dec or January against a top notch guy and beat that person handily. If he can do that on a venue that he'd be headlining, than I think his potential fight with Floyd will be hyped up enough to garner over 1 million PPV buys.

    It would be great if they actually paired him up with Broner for a December showdown since the Maidana fight hasn't been signed officially (yet.) Him beating up on Broner in a headliner would definitely help him increase his fanbase and make a matchup with FLoyd a worthy PPV buy for next May.
     
  5. fatcity

    fatcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There is no question that Showtime has a marketing problem on their hands.Both they and GBP best hire some guru of marketing to build up another no hoper.Canelo was the last guy on the ladder who people thought may have a chance.
    Mayweather will have to be talked into fighting middleweights like GGG .Martinez is with HBO so that ain't happening.They should have left the Canelo fight on the stove to simmer awhile but now they are going to be struggling.
    Good luck.
     
  6. Holy Grail

    Holy Grail Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Showtime is going to be struggling. I don't think people are going to buy another Mayweather fight unless he fights one of two names thrown around here. Otherwise, he will do Guerrero like numbers. I'm excited to see how they handle this situation for his remaining contract.
     
  7. ben1990

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    Thought the same thing. I honestly wondered if we'd ever get the Canelo fight. We did, props to them for making it happen. It was the fight we wanted to see now. I really can't think of anyone right now that I would think has a slight chance against Floyd.

    But here is some names that I can see climbing into the ring with him:
    Khan/Alexander winner
    Garcia
    Thurman(after a few more fights)

    Not too many others left.
     
  8. HitBattousai

    HitBattousai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mayweather vs Guerrero like PPVs wouldn't exactly be terrible in terms of buys, though obviously nowhere near Mayweather vs Canelo. And Floyd could take on Golovkin or Martinez at 154, Pacquiao at 147 and get strong buys. Doubt he fights any of them though, probably Garcia at 147 is next, which is still a better matchup in my view than Guerrero though Garcia has little chance against Floyd.
     
  9. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    no opponent next is gonna do a million sales in PPV
    except maybe Pac
    floyds style is boring (but great) and people wont shell out $75 to see Mayweather spar with a guy like Garcia coming up a division or devon alexander, or keith thurman. and i dont see anyone paying him 30 million guarantee to fight any of them either
     
  10. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People have been making this claim since The Hoya fight. Floyd will continue to do big numbers.
     
  11. osirus0830

    osirus0830 Active Member Full Member

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    I think they can sell a rematch with Canelo. They need GBP and Canelo to really play up the weight drained angle and hope that the public buys it. If Canelo beats Cotto decisively, they will push the rematch.
     
  12. Manfred

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  13. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd is always going to do well on PPV because of his name alone. You have to remember that Guerrero was virtually unknown outside of hardcore boxing circles. Floyd fought him because that was his mandatory. He just has to fight someone even a little bit known and he'll be fine. Mayweather Garcia would do a Mil. Mayweather Khan would also do a mill. Id say Floyds name alone is worth maybe 800k buys. the B side just has to be someone sort of known. I do hope he fights Pacquiao tho. just to get it over with.

    if guerrero mayweather did 900k. thats pretty good for the limited promotion, network change, and the undercard it had. plus Guerrero was pretty much a nobody.

    I think Floyd can to 800k off his name. but the rest has to be

    A. someone established
    b. off a win.
    c. who the public thinks will present a serious threat

    and whether he admits it or not. i think pacquiao will be one of the fights.

    even if he is washed up. the public would rush to that fight based on the history and names involved.
     
  14. Sweet Jones

    Sweet Jones Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's been, what, 6 years since the ODLH fight. Mayweather's worse ppv performance since that fight has been (if you believe the worse case scenario rumors) 877K.

    Eventually, folks on this forum will have to come to grips with the notion that Floyd Mayweather actually does have a fanbase. There is no reason to not expect Mayweather to do numbers. History does not support this notion that Mayweather's ppvs are primarily driven by his opponent.

    You can hoot and holla all you want, but people pay to see the dude fight. Not just his haters, either.

    Showtime currently has the most marketable name in the sport at their disposal. If they can't figure out how to take advantage of that for the price they paid, well...........:nono.
     
  15. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My point is 800-900K is not enough. SHO breaking even is a failure for a business like them. Nobody is in business to break even. I read somewhere Floyd fights need to average around 1.2mil PPV for this contract to make sense. Guerrero's numbers were apparently disappointing and SHO may have forced their hand to make the Canelo fight happen. I have to think it was forced. Canelo only wanted a guarantee to fight Mayweather last Saturday and he would have agreed to fight on the undercard of the Guerrero-Mayweather fight.

    Had Floyd not dominated Canelo, SHO would be in a good position to capitalize off the rematch. As it stands, no rematch and no lucrative opponent other than Pacquiao. I'm not arguing Floyd is not an attraction but he's not a big enough attraction alone as proven by the Guerrero fight.