Did Folley take the fall against Ali?

It was his fearless attitude that impressed me the most. he didn't cower in fear vs Liston,...on the contrary, he taunted him throughout the fight and even after the fight. he just made up his mind that Sonny wasn't going to knock him out. If he were a bit bigger, he may have pulled off the upset, ala Clay/Ali.

 

The Folley-Jones fight is actually one of the best HW fights I've seen. Like Marquez-Barrera, only bigger guys and with a KO.

 

Bokaj,

That loss by Zora Folley (rematch with Doug Jones) actually knocked
Zora out of a rematch with Sonny Liston in late-1963 for the
Heavyweight Championship.

Zora was on the list, along with Ingemar Johansson for possible late-1963
challengers, after Sonny and Floyd fulfilled their rematch contract.

Zora, ran a streak of bad luck.

 

Zora didn't have the punch, chin or strength for Liston. It would be a repeat.

Jones had a great streak there, with his fights with Folley and Clay. But he took too much punishment in them, seems to never been the same afterwards.

 

Interesting,

That Yank Durham, did not want Joe Frazier fighting Zora in late-1966, as he
was worried about Zora's right hand crashing against Smokin Joe's chin.

Smokin Joe still had problems avoiding the right hand, and Zora had a good one,
when it landed.

Zora a class act, and would have been a real problem, for Cassius Clay in 1962 /1963.

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Oh, ok. So not 1 of Ali's fights were on the up and up against a 'live' opponent. NOT ONE


Any kid coming onto this forum is gonna have a ****in shock reading this

 

Sooooooooo............Ali gives an old man a chance yet 6 months earlier Yank Durham doesnt want any part of Folley???

Is this what your saying?

What am i talking about? Of course its EXACTLY what your saying.


So, whats your thoughts on Fraziers avoidance (according to you)of old man Folley?

 

Even Pepe' should acknowledge that there weren't many "worthy" challengers in that time period. Bad intersection between downhill veterans and not-quite ready upcomers.
I didn't think Folley was much better or worse than the alternatives.

 

I said they were all legitimate, except the 'two' Sonny Liston bouts.

Just because the Challengers were 'flawed', doesn't mean anything, other than
they were 'flawed'. The bouts were legit though..

 

No he got his ass knocked out far and square!...

 

But SP, thats a backhanded compliment. Its no good saying they're legit then go on to deride every one of those challengers as 'too old', 'bad back', etc etc....

 

This is a fair enough statement

 

It may be 'back-handed', but the statements are true.

Ernie Terrell was the 'best opponent', and the most honest fight
for the 'fans' off that list.

 

Complete distortions of reality.