Did Foreman cut water weight at weigh-ins?

He ducked the massive dreadnaughts that came to be in the 90's because he knew he was too wee. He compensated by adding mass. Mass moves mass. He was a great fighter for his day. But times change.

 

He didn't have to avoid the top fighters because of the lard, but because they were prime, elite operators who did not guarantee a belt, which was his main objective. Sure, Lennox and Bowe were extremely dangerous in part due to their size, but punching power, speed, reaction time and all that played much more important part of it (with weight helping with power, granted.) He was on record trying to drop his weight to 235 and below but his body couldn't take it.

 

Not saying because of lard but because he was too small. Thus his incessant campaigning for a Tyson fight.

 

Nice little fighter.

 

Nope - They were certainly about the same size according to the scales, tape and the fight.

Ali was about 6ft3 Prime Foreman was about 6ft3

Ali was about 220lbs and Prime Foreman was about 220lbs

Here is the fight where the “significantly smaller” fighter looks the same size and man handles him:

This content is protected

 

Aye “Prime” Foreman is a mid sized fighter just after his time and a tiny one today, it is just how it is it’s an arms race division busted models can’t hack it on the modern battlefield.
GF never fought a hard punching man sized HW and we saw every-time he had a physical match the Hercules myth dissolved when I watch a skinny armed guy like that throwing those sloppy punches running over the little guys… it reminds me of those before him Jeffries, Liston and 60s Ali there division outgrew them and there physicality became common or laughable and the good little HW’s kept up by boxing.

 

Beautifully stated.

 

Name a time he ever looked like the weaker man or weaker puncher in the ring? Don't get me wrong, he WOULD be undersized today, but the strength and power was real.

 

Compared to the weaklings he fought, sure.

 

Yep, it’s obvious that you don’t know what you’re talking about again. “Aye”……

You skip so many valid points/refutes it’s laughable. Anyway……

Defaulting to Ali’s listed 6’3” when it can clearly be seen Foreman was a good 1” taller is just you being argumentative and disingenuous.

You were shown a perfect snap shot of the face off but chose to unashamedly ignore the evidence.

Your inability to converge on points always makes for tedious exchanges.

Let’s repeat (like I should have to? ) - when comparing himself to Foreman, Ali said that he was 6’2 1/2” and claimed that George was 6’ 2 1/2” - but now you’re conveniently shifting to 6’3” for both men…..per the “stats”?

So you also buy that Daniel Dubois is 6’5 as commonly listed? I imagine you would if it also served to unduly shrink Foreman.

You state both were about 220 lbs? Foreman was recorded as being exactly 220 lbs.

Ali weighed in at 216 1/2 lbs - which is not “about” 220 lbs.

Just another falsehood which just so happens to lean toward the side of the “argument” you’re trying to push.

For Zaire, Ali was up by 4 1/2 lbs as compared to his rematches vs Norton and Frazier. Foreman was down by 4 3/4 lbs as compared to his fight vs Norton. Relatively dried out - read: point of thread.

When he fought Norton, Foreman almost made the well muscled Ken look like a relatively skinny LH by comparison.

Foreman looked notably larger. His weight was approximating to what it should’ve been in very natural terms.

Ali was acknowledged to be strong in his own right but he was also clever with the application of his raw strength in Zaire - and any successes he had in that regard stood out mainly as Foreman tired.

Ali literally tried on more grappling than Foreman did during their fight - as Ali was often prone to doing against many opponents.

Ali described Foreman as having hurled him against the ropes like a rag doll at one point during their fight.

There were moments when Foreman’s superior raw strength was clearly apparent.

Have you ever noticed the size of Foreman’s fists? - huge - especially as compared to those of Ali - but most 70s fighters were rubber stamped as having 13” fists - so you can hug those stats also without due observation and critical thinking if that’s how superficial you choose to be.

A 15 month inactive, rusty and generally below par Foreman KO’d big punching Ron Lyle who was no small man and heavily muscled himself.

Your “analysis” of the Foreman - Lyle fight has always been heavily tainted and poorly framed - such is your not so transparent agenda to unduly discredit Foreman.

Face it, your unsupported attempts to underrate Foreman are no secret - you carry them with you everywhere. Those attempts scream a complete lack of objectivity.

At just 21 yo Foreman didn’t just overpower Canadian strong man and dedicated weight lifter Chuvalo.

He hurled Chuvalo half way across the ring with notable ease - among other demonstrations of his strength during that fight - notably superior strength that well exceeded Foreman’s own size at any rate.

 

Foreman was 230+ out the ring. Modern day cruiserweights like Opetaia are about 215 naturally

 

Or just drinking water, if the frequent claims that he dehydrated himself are right.

I've always been a little puzzled that the people arguing for Foreman's chances today try to argue he was dehydrated to explain his diminutive size by modern standards.

It's trading one problem for another. Throwing a shorter, lighter, dehydrated man into the ring against superheavyweight punchers doesn't sound like a good idea.

 

lol maybe 1 inch and 3.5 lbs has you writing angry essays involving fist sizes? shoving Chuvalo? And how inactive he was before the Lyle fight? Cuckoo. Ali said that they were the same size “Rubbish” lol I’d forgive him personally because they were about the same size. Amusingly (for me) you’re participating in exactly what Muhammad Ali was mocking people for, you’re grossly inflating the size of “The Monster” with your mumbo jumbo but when you do it… it isn’t for media word salad or generating a buzz… it’s to weirdly maintain a deceased athletes reputation for being “BIG”? You realise there is film of him fighting Muhammad Ali and I can link it for you again?

 

No Seamus he pushed people weely weely hard!