Did Foreman duck Quarry

Big G threw powerful body shots harder than Ali raymi, see G hit the heavy bag on YouTube jerry wouldn't have lasted long.

 

I think the JQ of 1967-70' would have had a better chance to defeat Foreman than the much more shopworn version of 1973-74.'

Quarry was on his toes against Mac Foster, he was cagey, he mixed slugging and boxing. His chin was stout.

By 1972, Quarry barely eked out a decision against a tough but wholly unprepossessing Larry Middleton. The same guy who would be wasted by an up and coming Ron Lyle without undue difficulty.

Quarry had taken two sound thrashings from Frazier and Ali by the late summer of 72.' His sparring sessions were needlessly brutal, expecially wars with his younger brother Mike who he routinely punished in the gym.

Foreman was too green to fight Quarry in 1970. Rumor has it that Quarry had given Foreman a beating at the Mainstreet Gym in Los Angeles in a 1968 sparring session. This had to be inculcated into Foreman's memory for years afterwards. He was definitely leery of Quarry for that reason.

By early 1974, Quarry had "shot his wad" so to speak. Foreman would have hammered him. Quarry would have shown his customary heart and went down on his shield so to speak. In 73' I still would have bet on Foreman but JQ is at least a live dog in that match-up.

 

Enough already, Foreman-Quarry 69-70? OK give Jerry a decent chance, maybe. Ali ducked Machen in 62! etc, etc. for good reason. Every fighter is groomed appropriately. By the time George hit 'wheel house' prime he would have destroyed Quarry, plain and simple, let's close the thread!

 

I concur.

 

Yeah I don't think Foreman ducked Quarry. Would've raised Foreman's placing against ranked opponents though.

 

Jerry sure had the style to beat Foreman, and styles make fights! Jerry really knew George well, and his experience in such a match would have been invaluable, here's one for everybody, Jerry beat more top ten contenders (8) during his run 1967-75 then any other heavyweight other than Ali or Frazier , he beat Patterson, Spencer, Mathis, Foster, Bodell, Middleton, Lyle and Shavers. all ranked by both WBA, and Ring Magazine.

George would have been favored at least 12-5

 

Peralta had a 5" reach advantage on Quarry.

 

Maybe he was a bit worried.
He was very very worried about Frazier too though and we know what happened.

 

With all due respect Bummy, no contest.
Mac Foster? I look at him as a decade earlier version of Cooney. Big punch, granted, but feasted on has beens with some KO's to 'rise' to the top of the rankings.
Frazier? Love their first fight!! Joe just too tough.
Lyle? Hadn't hit prime yet.
Middleton? Come on, give me a break here.
Spencer? Overrated, went 0-7-1 after Quarry stopped him.
Shavers? Often trowled out as Jerry's 'finest hour' but two months later journeyman Joe Alexander almost knocked his ass out!
Plus, outside of Shavers (which was an anomoly IMO) what top ten contender did Jerry ever KO? (70's in which Jerry would have fought Foreman)
Look at George's career, NO ONE knocks this guy out! Screw Zaire.
Post-Zaire George was put down twice against Lyle but? A brain dead young man who wasn't going anywhere. I thought Lyle was dead at the end. Pre-Ali Foreman has Lyle in a puddle in 1-2 rounds.
The bottom line? Jerry simply hasn't the power to really hurt George.
Next thread.

 

I give the Quarry who took Mathis apart a good chance to beat Foreman, but no other subsequent version, i.e., the more mature, thicker Quarry.

 

Fighters say a lot of crazy ****... Foreman would have stopped Quarry early. He would have hurt him, dropped him, cut him, and stopped him all at the same time. This Foreman ducking Quarry thing is getting old.

 

Quarry had draws with Tony Doyle and Tony Alongi x2. He stopped Doyle in their rematch almost 6 years later. These men were far from great.

An old Eddie Machen clearly outboxed an up and coming Quarry.

Quarry got a draw and a majority-decision win over a past prime Floyd Patterson. A case can be made that Patterson deserved to win both of these fights. Patterson gave him trouble and even dropped him. Their rematch was part of the WBA HW world title tournament.

Jimmy Ellis beat Quarry by 15 round majority-decision. This fight was for the vacant WBA HW world title.

George Chuvalo dropped Quarry and did hurt him. The 7th round KO was a little controversial (don't take so long to get up fool) but not really.

Prior to the loss to Chuvalo had had given Frazier a decent fight prior to getting stopped after the 7th round.

Quarry was down vs. the 5-5 (2) Roy Crear, he was down twice vs. the 3-8-2 (1) Al Jones, he was down vs. Floy Patterson, he was down vs. Rufus Brassell (but the punch landed after the bell), and he was down vs. the 8-3 (7) Joe Alexander.

He was stopped 6 times... KO7 Frazier, KO7 Chuvalo, KO3 Ali, KO7 Ali, KO5 Frazier, and KO5 Norton.

Now, let's look at some of the good things he did-

He beat the 35-14 Brian London by clear decision.

He stopped the 25-12-1 Alex Miteff in the 3rd round.

He drew with Floyd Patterson. Patterson down twice, Quarry down once.

He stopped the 21-17-3 Billy Daniels in the 3rd round.

He won a 12 round majority-decision vs. Patterson (part of the WBA tournament). Patterson down once.

He stopped Thad Spencer in the 12th round (part of the WBA tournament).

He clearly outboxed Buster Mathis over 12 rounds.

He stopped the 37-18-1 Brian London in the 2nd round of their rematch.

He stopped Mac Foster in the 6th round.

He beat Larry Middleton by close decision.

He stopped Randy Neumann after the 7th round.

He beat a 19-0 Ron Lyle by decision.

He stopped a 45-2 Ernie Shavers in the 1st round.

He stopped a 20-3-1 Lorenzo Zanon in the 9th round after losing the first 8 rounds.

 

Well, only Ali, Frazier, Ellis, Chuvalo ... hell, the only guys who could beat Jimmy Ellis over a NINE year period were Ali and Frazier, too.

If George Foreman fought Jerry Quarry, George would've ended his life.

Quarry wasn't that great at taking punches. Ali had him out on his feet in their rematch. Chuvalo knocked him out. Frazier and Norton beat him to a pulp and stopped him.

George Foreman would've beat Jerry quarry to death.

 

No one was going to KO Foreman (forget Zaire, let's not get into everything-again-there) Lyle? Stupid post-Ali George but, at the end Lyle looked like he was dead. Jerry never really KO'd any TOP contender in his career. Tough SOB but never could beat Foreman. George's jab alone would set up Jerry for the big shots early on.
My $0.02