Did Foreman's chin improve with age. Why did Ali drop him but not Holy or Moorer?

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  1. choklab

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    "punching power alone" will only count if it is effective at the level a fighter operates at. At elite level Morrisons punching power was not effective.

    what ever the smaller morrison hit Foreman with he was unable to get the room to make the kind of conection, leverage and snap that he could produce on lesser fighters.

    This is common among fighters unable to produce knock out power at elite level.
    The misconception is that the elite fighters they hit that dont go down take credit for having better chins. In truth the deficiency is with the puncher for not possessing the reactions to set up better fighters into a knockout opening.

    Journeymen also have fair chins but depending on their limitations, focus and preparation are easier to manoeuvre into a knockout opening.
     
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    Now you are being mischievous, The ruddock morrison fought had been knocked out even quicker by Lennox Lewis BEFORE morrison got to him. The Ruddock that morrison fought was several concussions away from being the fighter who once stop washed up bonecrusher and Michael dokes. Rudocks reactions and durability was shot by then.
     
  3. TheSouthpaw

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    What the hell was durable about Ali when he fought Holmes???...I dont think Ali landed one single shot in that fight and if Angelo hadnt stopped it when he did he may have seriously injured him..( worst than he already was)...Thats the worst version of Ali anyone had ever seen he had no business fighting Holmes..
     
  4. TheSouthpaw

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    A 40 year old fighting a 45 year old in the 30's really isnt relevant..
     
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    HES NOT!!!..Not even close bud..
     
  6. SP_Mauler

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    It's a trend...so it is relevant.
     
  7. SP_Mauler

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    Tyson hurt Holyfield with bodyshots in their first fight and he was'nt anything like the 87-88 version. I'll happily pick that Tyson to wipe out the 90s.
     
  8. TheSouthpaw

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    Damn right!..:good..Wipe out the 80's and 90's for that matter.
     
  9. SP_Mauler

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    They never lost a decision because they got knocked out. Sanders clearly outboxed Wladimir.

    Was Ali ever knocked out. Nope
     
  10. TheSouthpaw

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    Consistently outboxed!!??...Thats a flat out lie..when and where did this happen consistently??:patsch

    And screw Wlad!!
     
  11. SP_Mauler

    SP_Mauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think he's talking about Frazier,Norton,Holmes,Spinks etc lol..dont bother
     
  12. TheSouthpaw

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    Oh THOSE guys..right!:D
     
  13. choklab

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    Tommo, Foreman with his more reserved style was anticipating more of what was coming his way this is why he appeared to have a better jaw!

    I cannot BELIEVE anyone who truly understands boxing can think jaws gets better!

    When George was younger he was gungho against the very best elite of the division. Second time around he was more careful against the second half and the smaller end of the elite. It is not complicated to work this out.

    As a young man George was not always exhausted when he was decked either. Ron Lyle stood George on his head early in a fight and Lyle never knocked out or decked elite fighters.

    Second time around George is slower, he cant sit on a stool anymore in case he hurts his back....but his jaw is better better with age?
     
  14. SP_Mauler

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    If that's your proof you're going to need to show something that proves Morrison hits harder then Lyle.

    Lyle hit like a truck.
     
  15. SP_Mauler

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    Based on...his protective fat around his fist?