Did Foreman's chin improve with age. Why did Ali drop him but not Holy or Moorer?

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He says Ali jaws got better with age when someone mentioned the Holmes/Ali fight... I don't think he's ever been hit in the face. Tommo unless you get it _right_ on the jaw,it's not really a jaw punch. Besides with the current crop of chins who isn't to say older,smaller fighters were just.........tougher,better built for fighting.

 

Cooper managed to get on the inside and land one on hist chin right in which Ali didn't see? Anyone would get dropped with a punch like that..

 

Only difference is Ali was never knocked out.

Let them to close their eyes,stick their chin out and wait for a punch. They'll survive,like Ali, but what happens after is the important question. Lennox yea but Wladimir record he'd be out.

 

weight does not improve chins. get over it!

weight puts the otherguy on the back foot, makes the other guy find it harder to find room to time his best shot. A weight advantage takes away the other mans power.Nothing to do with better chins.

I swear next some one will say fat cheeks help durability because they wobble like ABS brakes on a car!

 

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Yes fat offers some protection to the body, but it is overall a liability. Every pound of fat you put on requires a million new capillaries, and increases your oxygen demand for everything you do. No boxer wants to be fat. No boxer has ever deliberately tried to gain fat. If a boxer is fat, it is because they are not training as much as they need to, pure and simple.

No fat boxers is not a sign of a lot of a lot of hard hitters in an era. It is a sign of a lot of fighters with poor training habits. If those fat boxers could wave a magic wand and make themselves look like Ken Norton, every single one of them would. The reality is that their training regimes do not meet the needs of their occupation or their aspirations.

 

Well another point have to be made, Ali and the guys from THE golden era of boxing probably hit harder then the guys from the 90's excluding a few people like Lewis and Tyson.

Another one is that Foreman was 45 (?) when he won against Moorer. Imagine what he would of done when he was at his peak.

 

It is certainly possible for a fighter to have good conditioning while carrying excess body fat, and for a fat fighter to have better stamina than a thin fighter. Looks can be deceiving.

Lets not try to make a merit out of it though. The only reason that any fighters caries excess fat, is because they are not training as much as they should be. Any fighter who comes into fights at world level in this sort of condition, is unprofessional and underachieving.

In Foreman’s case he probably had little choice, because he was coming off such a long layoff, and from such a low base level of fitness, but again lets not make a merit out of it.

 

Foreman punched himself out against Ali and was simply caught , being physically and mentally ready to go ... that George was a physical marvel but mentally very fragile ...

The second version of George was much stronger mentally , paced himself and used his cagey strengths to take less risks and benefitted from it .. he was also simply much stronger mentally .. the punishment he took from Holyfield in a few of those rounds was really something .. he refused to quit ... he also knew better than to fight Lennos or Riddick for sure ..

 

George knew exactly what he was doing in his second career. He made sure he went a lot further with a lot less than he had in his first career by being more cautious and more importantly selective.

Concentrating on the smaller fighters of the division to enhance an already massive weight advantage was a smart move. Creating the "freindly old george" persona was another smart move that intrested the mainstream public.

Foremans chin was no better but was never exploited because he purposely avoided fighting all the stronger fighters with huge power.

 

Is that a serious question ? Review your history.

 

Yes and no ... he avoid the best big punchers in Bowe and Lewis who he absolutely no intention of ever fighting .. he would have fought Tyson if given the chance and thankfully for him it never happened ... He did fight Bert Cooper, a huge puncher. He did fight Morrison, a huge puncher. Mike Moorer was a KO puncher. Holyfield teed off on him ... George was a tough SOB ..

 

No. Morrison does not punch a hole in the theory. George knew after seeing what mercer did to Tommy that morrison could not afford to stand in front of him and that would take 50% of his power away. Morrison also struggled baddly against joe hipp and carl williams getting his jaw smashed and decked multiple times, was naturaly a lot smaller so George absolutely knew what he was doing signing for that fight. Was there another rated fighter at that time who had already been exposed at world level that George could have fought for a vacent vacent belt? This was a golden oppertunity for any contender and George had done a whole lot less to warrant the chance.

Big George was a tough old man. He knew he could give away age providing he was not giving away anything else. Morrrison ticked every damn box!

Foreman never had a bad chin, he was a former elite fighter who had experience, size, weight and strength on just about the whole division. He knew what he was doing and he knew who not to fight.

 

feather fists and machine gun?

exhaustion, antisipation, caution, size advantage and matchmaking. its just more logical.