Did Fury and Wilder con the Public?

:lol1: Right, Ortiz was never considered a top guy. Got you. It's not like the bodies archive ratings or anything.

x2 interim champion but wasn't a top guy at any point or anything. Like how Joyce wasn't, or Parker isn't, or Dubois doesn't matter right? All those interim champions who were never seen as top guys, sure buddy.


Pulev was never even interim. You racist or something?

 

Just frustrating hearing Wilder fans making out Ortiz is so.e ATG when in fact he never actually achieved anything in the amateurs or pto ranks to be thought of of a top fighter

 

You ignored my question in regards to the Haymon comment you made .

 

Idiot

 

Who did he beat name me his top 5 wins infact name is top 1 win then tell me who that guy beat to make him a good win for Ortiz?

 

Oh I see, you are the type to pick and choose which ratings and champions you acknowledge while claiming you have no bias nor discriminatory motives without even the slightest hint to irony.


Have I about got you?


I mean to say, when I answer this question with ratings and such, you're going to "yeah but those guys were not legit" and such? While claiming some kind of objectivity without so much as an attempt to acknowledge the impossibility of both being true at once?

 

You didn't ask a question it looked more like a statement which I replied to

 

Nobody had mentioned Stiverne except you so I fail to understand what he has got to do with anything when I was posting about Breazeale

 

You want Ortiz's good wins? Could I combine you and Cojimar into one response or would that lose you? See my last to his. Your question isn't earnest. It's a pretense to get the prompt you feel like you need to start explaining your opinion.

You already know the names, dates, rates, and belts. Why play this pussyfoot bull? Give your balls a tug and say what you really mean to say.

 

I asked you for your source in regards to Haymon paying for Ortiz inflated rating,thanks again .

 

What like Ortiz is not a good name to have as you best win because he himself has ZER significant wins and was made out to be better than he was to make Wilder look better sorry I thoughtI made that perfectly clear.

I understand that is just my opinion but you have to ask yourself why do a majority of people have this opinion and only a few deluded Wilder fans boys think otherwise

 

Stiverne was "good enough" to get himself a world title shot, just like Breazeale. Except he wasn't good. He was shyte. Thus being good enough to earn yourself a world title shot is a worthless statement. Does that connect the dots enough for you?

 

Okay buddy, I invited you to give them tiny nugs you call testes a tug but you refuse.


How arrogant as **** do you have to be to believe I or anyone else does or should give a **** about your opinion?

When I said Ortiz achieved more, I didn't say in my opinion, nor did I invite opinion. The fact is Ortiz has achieved higher honors in boxing than Pulev has as of yet. Not my opinion.

Pulev's top honors in an international belt.

Ortiz's top honors is a secondary world title.

All sanctioning bodies designate secondary world titles over all international titles.




To make this real simple for you; Ortiz is a former world champion. Pulev is a former regional champion.



Now feel free to tell me all about your opinion of official ratings and how you know better. idgaf. I don't think anyone does. Nor do I understand why you think anyone should. Off you pop you odd little megalo-karen.

 

There are plenty of undeserving fighters who got title shots but you mention Stiverne ! Stiverne got himself a World title shot and won the WBC belt which he lost to Wilder,then no doubt got the rematch as he was the former champion and also the only person at that time to take Wilder the distance. Stiverne won a World title and went the distance once with Wilder,Breazeale who I had been posting about never won a world title and nor did he ever go the distance with Wilder either,sorry the dots just aren’t lining up unfortunately. It matters not what we say at the end of the day,at that time the powers that be gave Breazeale not one but two title shots,what we both think about it therefore is a moot point .

 

Like I said you are an idiot