Did Fury really “fight down to Otto Wallin’s level” or is that an excuse?

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  1. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    Sure Fury looked good against Wilder but even guys like Gerald Washington, Johann Duhaupas, and Luis Ortiz looked good against Wilder before being stopped. Is Fury being overrated on this forum?
     
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  2. Surrix

    Surrix Active Member Full Member

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    Wilder fans too delusional.
    I had been tired till half death by reading how easily Wilder will beat up Fury 2+ years. It did not happened!
    These are facts.
    Also I had read up how easily Wilder will finish Ortiz. Facts are that he had a lot of problems with Ortiz.

    Are Wilder's fans overrating their own importance, importance of their claims and posts in forums?
    It is boring, annoying and looks that this never will end.
    Endless story.

    Also stuff how Wilder's fanboys like to see anyone more realistic as hater etc.
    Really boring.
    I did not had paid much attention to this mesh until ppl continued to post and post in forums even this autumn. About how overrated Fury is, how everyone hates Wilder etc.
    It is boring.
     
  3. Surrix

    Surrix Active Member Full Member

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    For me Wilder's fans looks are turning into something close to MMA fanbase. Conor and Khabib fans etc.
    Level is amazing.
     
  4. pernellaaron

    pernellaaron Active Member Full Member

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    I think it is a combination of things really. Wallin was better than we thought, he is a big southpaw which you don't see much of, and the cut changed the whole nature of the fight. That being said Fury still clearly won but it was way closer and uglier than we all thought. I'd expect a rematch to be wider.
     
  5. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Member Full Member

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    I understand why people would question Fury based on his performance against Wallin, but he is a bit notorious for his concentration levels being inconsistent, especially when it comes to the smaller fights. He wasn't fighting near his best vs Wallin.

    We all know what he is capable of with his performances against Wilder and Wlad.

    Even if you don't think beating Wilder was impressive, remember Fury dominated Wladmir, and even if it wasnt Prime Wlad, 39 year old Wlad would probably be a top 5 fighter right now. He was getting old but he was still undefeated for a long time.

    Fury's talent is obvious and anyone is capable of a bad fight. Yet he still pulled off a win.

    Fury can win beautiful and ugly.
     
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  6. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" Full Member

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    Fury is an interesting case. I do think great fighters do sometimes need a certain level of fear to perform and that klitscko and wilder brought out the best fury bc he saw them as threats.

    There's also a stylistic element in that wilders style was intimidate and annihilate and when that failed he had no backup plan or the skills to adapt. Those "lesser" fighters were the ones with the fear in their fight and maybe that's why they gave fury more issues.
     
  7. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think it was more down to styles. Also, Wallin despite his inexperience was effectively attacking Fury’s body and fighting Fury well in the clinch in the early rounds, but in the later rounds Wallin’s inexperience really started showing when Fury started sitting down on his punches and attacking from all angles. Wallin looked completely clueless and went entirely defensive.

    Saying all that I still think it’s too soon to say Fury is the best current heavyweight, since even though I would favor him to beat Joshua it’s not a forgone conclusion, since Joshua with the right gameplan could beat Fury.
     
  8. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    It's just clear that Fury has problems with certain styles, like most championship level boxers. He also has a low punchoutput, so for one he will always have issues with in your face styles.
    He's never going to be a long time reigner because of that.
     
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  9. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Active Member Full Member

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    Fury does fight to the competition more than he should, but that's not the only reason he struggled. He doesn't look as dominant against shorter, cagy fighters who aren't susceptible to his feints. He's kryptonite to the modern dreadnaughts ruling the HW division, but he'd actually do worse against 90s and earlier HWs.
     
  10. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood The Stoneman Full Member

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    Actually think Wallin is a decent fighter.
     
  11. Safin

    Safin Active Member Full Member

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    Anyone who has watched Tyson Fury since he boxed on ITV4, Sky and then Channel 5 know that he often boxes to the level of the opponent.

    Ben Davison was a good person for Tyson Fury to be around during the Otto Wallin period but the relationship had its professional limitations. Whether or not Javan Hill would have motivated Tyson Fury for the bout is another story, but he certainly wouldn't have gone in there in that condition and boxing so passively.
     
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  12. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Otto Wallin is good fighter. Just lacks power, but he has size, skill, southpaw stance, volume, guts, killer instinct, and, to the limited level its been tested, chin.

    If he had a punch, he would be on the A-side.
     
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  13. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Member Full Member

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    Great shot by Wallin to open the cut, and it certainly could of been stopped.
    But other than that shot, one-eyed Fury won it comfotably. Probably deserves more credit.

    Can't see Wilder or AJ ever fighting and succeding with one eye in similar manner.
     
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  14. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He still looked better than Wallin but Walling just came with a good gameplan to disrupt him until Fury got the read on him. People sleep on the talent Wallin has, he's clearly very coachable and is very well rounded. He'd provide a suitable challenge for many and should be able to make it as a decent contender at the least.
     
  15. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    It was basically just the cut that stopped Wallin getting a complete beatdown

    An absolutely ridiculous cut pissing blood in his eye that any other ref would have stopped the fight for if he wasn't Arums cash cow

    Fury showed plenty of balls fighting with one eye, in a rematch he would get a clinic put on him

    Also Fury did not fart sauce dip prior to this contest
     
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