Did Golovkin TRULY prove he was the most powerful puncher that Canelo Alvarez faced?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Luis Fernando, Oct 24, 2018.


Did Gennady Golovkin really prove, he was a more powerful puncher than Canelo's past opponents?

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  2. No

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  1. Mighty Moe

    Mighty Moe Member banned Full Member

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    Well Alvarez , Golovkin, and Saunders are the top 3 imo..
    Then theres 3 Americans Jacobs, Andrade, Charlo ( alongside Derevyanchenko)

    It's been a long time since there was this many Americans in the top 7 at middleweight, hence why people who have an agenda like Pimp C are suddenly saying Middleweight is stronger.

    Yet will Charlo and Andrade have a better career and last as long at the top than for example Felix Sturm, I doubt it.
     
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  2. Flashyo

    Flashyo Member banned Full Member

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    Same muray who went full distances with groves and didnt get knocked down, when wirh golovkin he hit the canvas 4 times and was stopped? ((:)
     
  3. Northadox

    Northadox Active Member Full Member

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    Not saying how true/biased it was.. just mentioning something I remember

    Truth is none of us on here can comment on their power cos we haven’t been hit by em
     
  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I call it weak because that;s what it was none of those fighters at 160 towards the end of Martinez reign were worth a damn. Better fighters were at 168. The division only got better when Canelo moved up and guys like Chenko started making noise and Charlo moved to it. 175 is full of EE fighters and it's not weak one bit so stop with that a division isn't good if no American is on top.
     
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  5. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You know this could have been a realistic interesting POV but then you went into absurdity...
     
  6. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are like the seagulls following the trawler...know where this going...
     
  7. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Not a single GGG fanboy even tried to debunk this post.. :lol:.. Casuals:touched:
     
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  8. Work the body

    Work the body Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canelo rated his power 9/10. Why would he lie? All KO streaks come to an end. Even Wilders will. Jacobs and Canelo were just better competition and harder to catch clean.
     
  9. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Either GGG is aging, Canelo has a good chin / defense, or he threw the fights, or a combination of those.
     
  10. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In before excuses such as Golovkin old doe. Power is the last thing to go. And Golovkin's power at age 35, is expected to be no less than what his power was in his prime. Being old affects other attributes like cardio, durability and recovery speed.

    And when you're landing multiple flush power punches on an opponent, irrespective of age, and you're still unable to even drop them, as Golovkin did on Canelo Alvarez, then age can't be used as an excuse and Golovkin's power will still have to be questioned, regardless. If Golovkin's age TOTALLY made him unable to land any punches on Canelo, then that'd be a fair point. But that obviously wasn't the case during their fight!

    I wonder what other excuses are going to be made?

    "Canelo has an iron chin doe"

    Yet, this same Canelo previously never really faced any 160 pound power punchers or any power punchers, period. and when I say 'power punchers', I'm referring to guys who have had their punching power as hyped up to beyond reasonable proportions, as Golovkin's punching power has been.

    It's not like Canelo has had his chin proven against punchers at the caliber of Artur Beterbiev, Sergey Kovalev, Adonis Stevenson and etc. back to back before he faced Golovkin. ABSOLUTELY NOT! He's faced pretty much no opponent that is of that caliber and has instead faced opponents that I'd consider to be the opposite of that type.

    So surely, if Golovkin were to TRULY hit harder than any of Canelo's past opponents, then he should've surely inflicted more damage and pain on Canelo than any of his past opponents did? And Golovkin should've done something with his power that no past opponent of Canelo did? But none of those things happened! Instead, Canelo showed pretty much the same respect for Golovkin's punching power, as he did for feather fisted Amir Khan's punching power and Erislandy Lara's punching power. The only thing Golovkin proved, was that he probably has a better chin than those guys. But when it comes to purely punching power, his power was as disrespected as those other non-power puncher's power was.
     
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  11. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Stating facts, isn't the same as going to 'absurdity'! I'll tell you what's 'absurdity'. Claiming Golovkin can KO heavyweights in sparring, when he can't even drop a blown up welterweight in 24 rounds. That's the very definition of absurdity!
     
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  12. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I CLEARLY stated: "Golovkin is a feather fist at the ELITE level".

    Those other 23 opponents weren't elite level boxers. Ergo, they are irrelevant. Golovkin has a 0% KO record against elite opponents. This is an indisputable fact! This therefore makes him a feather fist at the elite level.

    I can KO 23 truck drivers or 10 year old kids. That doesn't make me a devastating puncher. Especially if I then step up against elite professionals and fail to KO a single one.

    Those 23 other opponents of Golovkin are TOTALLY irrelevant!
     
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  13. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Based on what? Which DEVASTATING power punchers / knockout artists did Canelo face, before he fought Golovkin?

    Question I'm asking you, is if Golovkin was the most powerful puncher that Canelo has ever faced in his career? Why don't you answer that question first?
     
  14. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've made three different threads, related to three different things in regards to Golovkin. I'm now a troll because I don't buy into the hype of Golovkin being this otherworldly type of a unique / special power puncher, and because I choose to be realistic and reasonable in regards to how I judge his punching power, and because I choose to expose this realistic point of view?

    How about those who have been claiming Golovkin can not only drop, but KO cruiser weights and even heavyweights in sparring? Have you ever called them out for being trolls? Considering that's far more of what I'd consider to be troll like behavior.

    Yes, USUALLY, the more talented the fighter, the better their punching absorbing ability is. That's why boxers can take punches better than MMA fighters or combatants from other martial arts / combat systems. Why? Because they are more talented in boxing and because they spend more time taking punches on a regular basis.

    Knocking out a 10 year old kid is easier than knocking out an adult. Knocking out an adult that doesn't come from an athletic background is easier than to KO an adult who comes from an athletic background that is not related combat sports. Knocking out an athlete that comes from a sport unrelated to combat sports, is easier than to KO an athlete that comes from a combat sport. Knocking out an athlete that comes from combat sports outside of boxing, is easier than to KO an actual boxer who takes punches for a living. Knocking out a low level boxer who doesn't have elite training methods, and doesn't train with elite boxers on a regular basis (most opponents Golovkin has KO'ed), is easier than to KO elite boxers who do train using elite training methods, with other elite boxers and elite coaches. And so forth so on.....

    This is common sense! Only a total idiot, or an ignorant, or someone who is both, wouldn't understand this!

    And this excuse of Golovkin 'struggling' to land punches doesn't apply. Since he landed ENOUGH clean punches on Canelo Alvarez in 24 rounds, punches that would've put away his typical bum / journeymen opponent, but wasn't enough to even drop Canelo in those 24 rounds.

    Most bums don't have better punch absorbing abilities than elite boxers. The ones that do, are rare. Elite boxers are better trained to take BETTER punches. Golovkin lacks power and punching ability at that level. This has been proven to be a fact now! Perhaps learn to deal with it!
     
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  15. HerolGee

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    look luis if you mean does he have elite power like hagler, hearns, mugabi, then no he doesnt, but it is high world class power you cant deny that.