Did Gun Boat Smith KO Jack Johnson in a 4 round exhibition match?

Thank you, good to hear that from a good poster like you! Well, we aren´t miles away when it comes to Carnera and Johnson, I have Jack in my Top10-list and rate him in almost every area pretty high, and I rate Carnera as a Top50-HW, I´m sure you see it likewise... :thumbsup

 

How can a sparring session be interpreted as a ko win by either fighter? Toxie Hall dropped Marciano in sparring ,Greg Page dropped Tyson ,should these count on their records as legitimate knockdown ,and should we infer that they were save d from stoppages, throught the actions of their corner men?.I prefer to beleive the man who scored the knock down ,Smith himself. The expression clutching at straws clings to mind.

 

Johnson Was Never Stopped By A Punch To The Chin From
1894 To 1928,i Make This Statement, With All Respect To The Other Posters On This Forum, And Invite Them To Prove Me Wrong If They Are So Inclined.johnson Was Also Stopped In 1938 By Walter Price ,he Was Then 60 And Took The Count Sitting On The Floor ,tears In His Eyes,an Account Of This Fight Was Printed In Either The Boxing Illustrated Or The Ring Magazine ,i Have It Somewhere ,its A Good Read. My Point Is To Refute The Assertion That Johnson Had A"suspect Chin",no Other Agenda.

 

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Yeah, I don't see a big deal about this. He was probably diddling around and got caught. In a serious fight, he would have been serious.
Except for the 26th round ko by Willard, he was not stopped from 1901 into the mid-twenties in an official fight.

 

I don't think anyone would dispute Carnera being a top50 HW though...

 

IT WAS A SPARRING SESSION,GET IT? IT PROVES NOTHING. I GAVE YOU A COUPLE OF OTHERS,MARCIANO AGAINST HALL,TYSON AGAINST PAGE,DOES THAT MEAN EITHER OF THEM WOULD BEAT THEIR EMPLOYERS IN A REAL FIGHT? SMITH NEVER CLAIMED THAT HE KNOCKED OUT JOHNSON ,OR EVEN DAZED HIM,IN HIS TAPED INTERVIEW ,HE SAID HE PUT JOHNSON THROUGH THE ROPES.YOU ARE SO DESPERATE TO BEAT JOHNSONWITH YOUR STICK ,ITS BECOMING LAUGHABLE,MOMENTARILY YOU HAD ME ANNOYED AT YOUR SMUG ASSERTIONS ,NOW ,AS YOU BECOME MORE WILD AND ERRATIC IN YOUR SEARCH FOR MORE DAMNING EVIDENCE AGAINST JOHNSON ,I FIND YOU JUST RATHER SILLY ,AND PATHETIC.PERHAPS ITS TIME FOR YOU TO TRY ANOTHER SONG?

 

If we are going to bring up all the incidents where all time greats were droped in exhibitions by nobodies we will be here a long time.

Jack Johnson being droped by Gunboat Smith willl be one of the less remarkable examples.

 

McVey,

With all due respect, I AM a Jack Johnson fan.

I am also a fan of Floyd Patterson - Patterson's family moved to
Mount Vernon, NY where my Father's family was from. My Uncle
Bob was good friends with Floyd's brother Jerome. Yet, I will
admit that Floyd didn't have a strong chin.

No offense to Johnson, but I too feel that he didn't have a great
chin - Joe Choynski, a lightheavyweight KOED him with one punch.
He was also dropped by middleweight Ketchel - again with a single
punch. In addition, Gunboat Smith was not even a ranked fighter
in 1909 when he dropped Johnson. In addition, Johnson was
dropped and badly hurt in an exhibition with Philip Piersenn, an
AMATEUR heavyweight boxer.

Johnson also stated in his autobiography that he was hurt by Langford
when they fought. Johnson outweighed Langford by about 30 pounds
and was much more experienced than Langford at the time of the fight.

Johnson seemed to have trouble with wiry fighters like Gunboat Smith,
and Hank Griffin. My guess is that these type of fighters had the
speed to tag him.

I think that Johnson had great skills and could beat alot of fighters.
But, I think that his chin was not that tough.


Grebfan9
www.firstroundboxing.com

 

You are entirely entitled to yuor opinion,its as valid as the next mans. My point is that Choynsky,who was a very hard hitter kod Johnson with a punch to the temple ,and wether you beleive the knock down of Johnson was legit or not ,the punch landed around the top of his ear,thank you for bringing the knockdown by Piersson to my attention ,I was unaware of it.

 

I was more interested in the Billiards tbh

 

Hi McVey,

I am actually a fan of Johnson. I equate my statements about
Johnson's suspect chin as the same as I would state that Marciano
was susceptible to being badly cut in fights. I am always looking
for fight films of Johnson. I would like to find out more about
his black opponents, such as Frank Childs and Denver Ed Smith.
Hank Griffin was one tough guy too! Tall, wiry fighter with good
speed. Gave Jim Jeffries a good fight, and I suspect that Griffin
was a bit past his prime when they fought.

I do wish that he had given Langford a title fight. Langford deserved
a title fight far more than Jim Flynn and Al Kaufman.

No guys, I am NOT against white figters (BTW, I am a white guy).
Just think that Langford was great and deserved a title fight.
Langford never received a title fight against O'brien or Ketchel
either, though Langford was rumored to have a title fight lined
up with Ketchel and then Ketchel was murdered.


Grebfan9
www.firstroundboxing.com

 

It must be noted that all Johnsons knockouts come either before his peak run or after it.

His peak run lasted 7 years and 9 months with a record of 40-2-3 no contests. Not one knockout in that period despite fighting 5.81 times a year mainly against name oponents.

 

As you said earlier Janitor , Johnson was a late developer,he was nearly 31 when he won the title.