Did Gunboat Smith deserve a title shot?

It was a sparring session .

WHAT JOHNSON SAID IS AS FOLLOWS.[AND I WAS THE ONE WHO ORIGINALLY POSTED THIS OVER A YEAR AGO TO CORRECT YOU.]

"That afternoon I boxed with Stanley Ketchel for a few rounds,then at four o clock I got over to the Seal Rock House and Johnson put on the gloves , and thats where they begin to think I was something because I hit Jack on the chin and knocked him through the ropes and damn near out of the Seal Rock House"
" Johnson never did get over that.When he come back to New York,he says,"They got a fellow out there, My God,he'll knock a brickwall down!"-meaning me"

"In This Corner "Peter Heller
Gunboat Smith March 1970 Brooklyn NY.


Now, will you shut up telling everyone it was a match and a tko?

NOW. PLease point out my mistakes earlier and admit yours [for the first time in your life].
ALSO PLEASE PRODUCE PRIMARY SOURCES THAT STATE BURNS WAS SUFFERING FOR JAUNDICE? WAS ILL, ASKED FOR A POSTPONEMENT OF HIS FIGHT WITH JOHNSON .TENTH TIME OF ASKING!

 

If Jeffries cared about his reputation he would not have defended the heavyweight title against two no hopers like Munroe and Finnegan, one of whom asked Jeffries to carry him, the other burst into tears, and did not lay a glove on Jeffries.atsch
By the looks of it ,there are many posters re-evaluating you ,and with good reason.:rofl

Tony Ross was not a strong challenger ,but he had beaten Gardner and Shreck by ko ,and would go on to beat Sullivan,Moran,Flynn ,Ferguson ,and draw with Jeanette, and Barry.

He also had Hart out on the floor in the 13 th rd, when he unaccountably hit him while he was down and was promptly dsq'd
A better challenger than either Munroe or, Finnegan I think.


For your information Smith had his first professional fight on the 3rd of June 1909.
It was a week prior to the Ketchel /Johnson fight ,[16th October 1909,] when he sparred with Ketchel and Johnson ,he was in the US Navy just prior to that fighting in," pass the hat bouts on board". Yet ,according to you, 4 months later,Johnson should have given him a title shot because he landed a big shot on him in sparring ,[which might well have been Smith taking a liberty with the champion,]this punch ,again according to you, REDUCED Johnson.
Have you any idea what a certified DINGBAT this makes you look?

 

Mendoza. Please stop.

Ortiz beat up oscar is sparring. Spadafora beat up floyd in sparring. Neither of which have any real world impact.

Likewise in the buildup to hamed-mab, naz was knocking sparring partners out cold.

Maybe you're right and the boxing universe is wrong, I dunno. But it seems clear it was a sparring session that meant nothing.

We have a general consensus that era wise, smith was the maybe the 5th best hw out there and not many dispute that so i'm unsure what your general point is.

Johnson's legacy is based upon his work up until 1910 with his defining victory over the late great jeffries. Anything after that means little tbh. He sat on his title and didn't face the most deserving of challengers; again this is more or less a consensus opinion.

To make this easier, just be as openly transparent as possible and state the point you're trying to make.

If it is just that smith deserved a title shot at some point you'll probably find nothing but agreement.

 

Hey Luf, they might have been the top contenders.. but as you know.. Johnson had already beaten them (sans smith) easily and some multiple times... Surely, that must factor into why he didn't fight them no?

 

Perhaps so.

All I know is from 10 onwards his ideal 4 defences are against the names I mentioned.

 

STILL TOO BUSY TO CORRECT ALL MY MISTAKES ON THIS THREAD?
You pathetic wanker.

 

I think everyone does agree that smith deserved a title shot at some point.

But it all depends how much much stock you put on johnson's title run; for me everything after jeffries means nothing anyways to me.

 

I agree he deserved a title shot,for a brief time ,certainly not anywhere near the 3 years you stated he was in the top 1,2,or 3,which of course is laughable .
I posted a ringside report on the Ross fight in which even the referee stated Johnson could have finished Ross anytime after the 1 st round.

Ross at 5'9" was an inch taller than Sharkey, who gave Jeffries life and death twice .
By the way Ross was 214lbs, 7 more than Johnson
Sharkey was in the low 180's for both of his fights with the 215lbs Jeffries.

Johnson's lack of power? They named a first World War shell after him ,he has almost as many kos as Jeffries had fights and ,not over 40 years old retired men.
In one post you say Johnson could not finish men off, in another you say, he didnt try.WHICH IS IT?

You said Smith should have gotten a title shot just after he put Johnson through the ropes in a sparring session.I pointed out that Smith had been a pro for only 4 months and that this was patently absurd .

TRUTH ? YOU WOULD NOT RECOGNISE IT IF IT JUMPED UP AND BIT YOU IN YOUR POMPOUS ARSE,YOU LYING, FACT TWISTING ,MENDACIOUS, LUDICOUSLY BIASED, ILLITERATE BIGOT.
NOW SHOW ME WHICH MISTAKES I MADE IN THE EARLIER POST AND ,WHILE YOU ARE AT IT, ADMIT TO YOURS.
THEN, PROVIDE PRIMARY SOURCES FOR YOUR LIES ABOUT BURNS BEING ILL ,SUFFERING FROM JAUNDICE ,,AND ASKING FOR A POSTPONEMENT.
YOU TWISTED SACK OF ****.

 

Ross was not a strong contender but he had wins by stoppage over Shreck Gardner, and had a beaten Hart out on the floor ,when he hit him ,and, was dsq'd, he had beaten Temple, who beaten and drawn with Langford, and kod Walcott a better contender than Munroe, or Finnegan.
I have twice stated Ross was not a strong contender.
NO WHERE HAVE I SAID HOW GOOD HE WAS.:huh
Johnson knocked him down in the first, breaking his nose ,he then took his foot off the pedal , and allowed Ross to finish the fight,this is according to several ringside reports ,and the referees own opinion. Ross was 5'9" tall? So what ? He was 214lbs, an inch taller than Sharkey , 30lbs heavier,and at 24 in his prime, not a recycled ,coming out of a long retirement oldster.