Did Hagler carry Antuofermo, Duran and Leonard ?

Marvin said it best,

Never in Las Vegas AGAIN!!!

 

Vito no doubt has good medical reasons for his outburst but whats your excuse you test-tube aborted chromosome **** uplol:

 

I think Jerry Quarry fought Major Anthony Nelson in 'I Dream of Jeannie',
Novermber 1968.

It may have been real..

 

Now now there's no need to get bitchy just because you've made yerself look a twat:nono don't blame me for thinking that you're nothing but a wet wank, i'am just going with the common concensus on here

Go deal with yer own problems privately will yer & don't unload them on too decent folk please as i'am no doubt sure that you are well aquainted with other forums that cater for conspiricy theorist neurotics with low self esteem where you'd feel more at home:rofl

 

He also said he would never leave it up to the judges again after the first Antuofermo fight.

 

I just don´t think Marvin is really the type to do such a thing. It would be against everything he claimed to be, a fighter who worked him up the hard way. Carrying fighters to secure your success is the easy way. But then even soemone like LaMotta was involved in sh*t like that, so you never know.

 

With LaMotta back then the World Title was sown up tight & him being from an italian background would have been vulnerable to mob pressure. There's proberbly no doubt that the fix has been in on some fights in the not too distant past but i can't for the life of me see the benifit it would bring any fighter in the more modern era & also somehow to escape scrutiny but of course we have Don Kings fighters who some without doubt have fought to instruction.

But with regard to Hagler it just dos'nt make any sense what so ever especially with the regard to Duran/Anto & Leonard. it's pure loonie tunes & we are all aware of Las Vegas decisions & the late great MC Chuck Hall got frozen out when he publicly stated that the judges are often drunk out of their skulls during fights & are wined & dined/comped trips by promoters & match makers alike & that was the end of Chucks career. But thats something thats always going to be part of every sport where gambling is involved. But to even suggest that in superfights such as Hagler/Duran & Hagler/Leonard that marvin was under instruction is beyond daft & leaves the TS open to ridicule.

 

While I agree somewhat with you on the topic, I don´t think Unforgiven should be ridiculed. Ge wasn´t stating something he thinks is true, he was asking a question. An interesting one, ´cause those three fights are a bit odd and unusual for Marvin. There are good explanations for all three without Marvin carrying them but it seems he had a good reason to raise this question.

 

I don't see those 3 fights as odd, if anything they give an insight to Marvins actual bitter persona which was in some ways racked with insecurity, Marvin alwyas fed on the school of hard knocks story of his life for motivation & this in someways fueled an inferiority complex whith a chip on both shoulders for good measure & IMO this was Marvin's actual biggest handicap when it came to his 1st real Superfight in Vegas against Duran. He felt he was upstaged all the way through the promotion & Duran was actually the headliner & he was relegated again to being the co-star. He froze somewhat in that Duran fight juxtaposed with Duran's countering tactics & his corner being clueless he near on lost, his fault, & that would manifest it's self in spades during the Leonard fight.

It appeared he'd got over the doubt & worries by the way he destroyed Hearns, but i think Marvin's strength was also his downfall in that he really wanted to be loved respected & worshipped as the superstar he'd always wanted to be & when he sat atop boxings Mt Olympus after the Hearns massacre i think this only intensified his fear & paranoia about losing his title. he was always too moody for his own good, he always & somewhat justifably felt that he was'nt part of the establishment set-up, which is crazy considering he was with Bob Arum.

That treacherous ******* Leonard knew how to get into Marvins head & when he stated playing games with him in 86 about saying all Marvins got to do is call me!! He knew that would upset Hagler & place a doubt into his head making him moody & self doubting with regard too the fact that why is Ray wanting to fight me now!!!??? It's a head game that Marvin was his own worst enemy at.

He should have told Leonard to **** off, i remember the weigh-in with Marvin all scowls, i thought don't scowl you fool..SMILE Joke around, have some fun with leonard & that would have spooked Leonard more, but Hagler just can't do that, he fought with a burden in his own head & never really got the doubts out & blamed everyone else but himself & the Leonard fight brought everything aboutt Haglers real state of mind out into the open in those first 4 rounds when he tried to box Leonard from the orthodox stance & blew the ****in fight & let leonard run off with his hard won crown. Haglers too blame & no one else. He was'nt mentally strong enough when put to the absolute test & Leonard new it & exploited marvins inferiority complex to the max.

 

I do like the conspiracy aspect of this Unforgiven, unfortunately it seems little extra in the way of any evidence to talk about. Hagler being bitter about his Leonard loss isn't really enough circumstancial proof for me, especially as I and many others had Leonard winning, if you're carrying a fighter and you're supposed to win you certainly don't let it be that close. I also think Duran and Leonard are trickier for any version of Hagler than Hearns based on styles