Did Hagler face a peak Hearns?

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It is true that most of the time I tend to share the same opinion as Scientist, but the rare times we are disagreeing you and me, you always make good points and good counterarguments.
That's the purpose of a good forum like the classic section :good

 

Never mind a hagler type chin,tommy just needed the durability of leonard combined with rays intelligence when he got hit, and tommy would have been the greatest of all times hands down up,even up to lt heavy.....
As it is he fares as arguably the greatest at welter/lt middle,and at middle head to head could beat anybody...
He werent too shabby at supermiddle/lt heavy either...
Also tommys chin was pretty good,who was taking marvins and sugar rays best for round upon round?

 

Give or take, yea it could have turned out to be a different fight had Hearns chosed to box but to Tommy credit he went right to Hagler and gave the fans 1 of the best 2-3 round fights I have every seen

 

I really wonder how a hearns hagler immediate rematch would have gone,or if tommy would have boxed him in the early rounds....
It could have greatly added to hearns and even haglers' legacy....

 

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I've seen everything now. What a ridiculous statement!

"Tommy just needed the durability of leonard"
For what, so he can hit the deck in more of his fights?

 

Hey red chicken,most of the sane folks on the forum will know what i am saying....To make you understand better i will say give tommy the chin and survival skills of duran then....I know leonard makes you very nervous and irrational..... :admin

 

If Tommy's chin was half of what your hate for Leonards is we might have seen the second coming

 

Don't bend for Rooster, Leonard was a perfect example.

 

Yes,leonard is the perfect example for my point JT,i was just trying to make rooster understand my general point in another way....whenever leonard is mentioned he goes all weird.....

 

I think a case can be made for the peak Hearns being the one that fought James Shuler. Tommy's legs and overall balance looked far better in this fight than they did against Hagler. Hagler started unusually fast in their fight and Tommy was forced to trade so I'm not sure that the Shuler version of Tommy would have had more success. I think though that Tommy could have kept out of the way more and excuted a stick and move plan to outbox Hagler. Hagler for his part had to turn it into a phonebooth war as that was his best chance for success. Hearns was a always a fighter that used his height and reach advantages to maximum effective.

Hagler won because he initiated very successfully a gameplan for beating Hearns. That is, constant pressure, heart, good power and a very stout chin. The latter is the most important IMO. No fighter with a less than stout chin ever beat Hearns, bizarre injury loss to Uriah Grant aside.

 

While i don't quite share your view i'll give your's a boost by saying Steward has publically agreed with you. He names the Hearn's of the Shuler fight as absolute peak Hearn's.

 

When do you reckon his peak was JT? Duran?

 

I do, i believe everything came together right then. He had been struggling with confidence in his recovered broken right hand and stated pre Duran that he finally felt the hand was good again and predicted Duran in 2 rounds, chillingly followed up. He then cruised thru the highly promising Hutchings. Never faster, sharper, and surely never much more powerful. For Marvin he was right at his peak in every way except weight wise as we've been discussing. I have two problems with agreeing with Steward, 1. I don't think 160 was his best weight. 2. He was coming off a debilitating KO to Hagler and losses like these are surely (IMO) likely to have taken a little out of you somewhere, either physically or mentally. I think there would have been subtle changes. Having said all this it was the first time he looked like he was carrying the weight perfectly looks wise. He looked like a big natural 160.