Did Hagler rob his fans by retiring in 1987?

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  1. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i am a hagler fan he never robbed me by retiring, but he got robbed in vegas
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Tho i haven't seen the fight for ages what point would this be? I remember Mugabi having good success until Hagler backed off and boxed.
     
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  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, he did what most fighters don't have the wisdom to do..walk away while on top (or near the top). Other rare examples are Carlos Monzon, Joe Calzaghe, Rocky Marciano and Gene Tunney. The fans won't help a fighter once he's slipped and the losses mount and the effects of those punches he's taken start to kick in. In other words by Willie Pep...the fans don't pay your hospital bills.
     
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  4. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I too, think Hagler made a wise decision to exit outta boxing in 1987..... However, I am surprised that he did it after suffering a points loss to goldenboy Ray Leonard..... Christ, that had to have stung Hagler's pride........ Cheers.......

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    MRBILL, May 23, 2009
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  5. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He did the right thing by walking away.

    It's odd, but for a warrior born and bred like Hagler who lived for boxing, he walked away with relative ease.

    He did try and get a rematch with Leonard, but when that fell through, he retired. I wish more fighters had his sense, to be honest.
     
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  6. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm sure it did, but remember in his mind he didn't lose.
    That situation is far preferable than say, losing to an up-and-comer like Nunn where perhaps the scoreline would leave no doubts.
     
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  7. NO MAS

    NO MAS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The only perosn who was robbed was Hagler... altho his cornermen showed no sense of urgency as the fight moved in the later rounds... SRL played the judges bigtime.... maybe that is his ring savvy that Hagler never switched onto... a bit like Hopkins in the modern era perhaps.... working in the latter part of the round.... working where all judges can see him... tying up on the blindside etc....:bbb
     
    NO MAS, May 23, 2009
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  8. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good stuff here.................. YES! I think Mike Nunn would've slapped and smacked Hagler's aging butt all over the ring in 1988, had Hagler carried on in boxing.......... Nunn was very slick and quick in 1988 / '89.......... Too quick.........

    As for Hagler getting robbed by the judges against SRL in '87, well, I don't buy that........ I have seen the fight many times over since '87............. Ray Leonard won......... It was close in the end, but I had SRL up by a round or two............ Cheers...

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    MRBILL, May 23, 2009
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  9. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    Marvin wanted a rematch with Leonard. Sugar Ray would not give him one so he retired. That was the best possible move he could have made

    Hagler picked the perfect time to step away from the game. He already make his mark as one of the greatest middleweights ever. Hagler was past his prime, yet still has his health in tact, and was financially stable. No better time to stop.
     
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  10. MRBILL

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    Yeah, but Hagler's wife 'Bertha' filed for divorce back around that time.... I wonder how much she sued his ass for in court.?.?:huh

    How much was Hagler earning per film in Italy?? That crap he filmed had to be pretty low-budget......:yep

    How is Hagler doing these days???:huh

    MR.BILL:hat
     
    MRBILL, May 23, 2009
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  11. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I think he should have had 1 final fight vs a LHWT champion to put the seal on a `marvelous` career.

    Im probably in the minority there tho :lol:
     
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  12. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    No we dont because a younger Leonard was 1 of the greatest p4p boxers in its long history, he might still have outboxed Marvin & its hard to see even a prime Hagler stopping prime SRL, the guy was MUCH tougher than he looked & acted.
     
    Bill Butcher, May 23, 2009
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  13. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He got out at the right time.Any more time spent, and someone would have beaten him besides Leonard.
     
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  14. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I agree!
     
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  15. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Again, it was the right time to leave in '87 after his close shave loss to Leonard in Vegas..... Hagler really had nothing left to prove.... I'm just kinda' surprised that Hagler didn't fight a "Club" type of fight against a decent fighter in the upper North / East to fully close out the show with a win on his record.....

    Hagler being so serious and proud, cannot possibly enjoy seeing that "L12" to Leonard at the tail end of his record..... It doesn't matter what he believes or what the fans believe, it IS a professional loss that sticks like glue on his resume....

    MR.BILL

    Note:

    Hagler's loss to Leonard wasn't an embarrassment like Michael Spinks being iced by Tyson in ONE round later in '88.......

    Spinks also made a bundle, but for that showing, I'd have gone home and bolted the door and closed the drapes, and cancelled the newspaper delivery.....
     
    MRBILL, May 23, 2009
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