Did Hector Camacho really outbox Roberto Duran in 1996?

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  1. MRBILL

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  4. Stonehands89

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    I think that you make alot of excuses for Duran's loss of interest in training hard. It is understandable for a guy who'd doing it for over 20 years, but you are confusing being in fighting shape with not always having to be in fighting shape to whip journeyman.

    "Being in shape" is not the same as being in fighting shape.

    And they'd have been stupid if they felt like that. Duran at 158 would have been in shape to fight hard instead of in spurts, throwing one shot at a time most of the time, and on leaden legs.

    ... and there effectively was no "Team Duran". No one was telling Duran how to train or what to do --not since Freddie Brown anyway, and even he had problems.
     
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    Duran was in far, far better shape for Sims than he was for Pazienza. He lost a close split in an important fight that he cared about.
     
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    Duran could have tied one hand behind his back and still beat Biglen.
     
  7. MRBILL

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    Speaking of Duran in lousy fighting shape, I saw him look fat and bloated on the USA network in late 1994 against a Redneck fighter named Heath Todd enroute to a mid-round stoppage... Duran used Todd as a "Warm-Up" for Paz in 1995....:scaredas:

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    I just reviewed "Duran-Camacho 2" from 2001 earlier, and it is quite obvious that Duran was not in the same shape as he was "5" years earlier. R.D. was 164 pounds and had none of the muscle in his body tone that he displayed in 1996. This time, Hector Camacho won the "Boxing" match without a doubt...:twisted:

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  9. Robbi

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    Stonehands. How did you score Duran-Simms? I only have the highlights of the fight. It looked 'touch and go' on if the decision was correct. Close fight on the official cards.
     
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    I saw the fight live in Vegas back in '86, and I own a tape of it as well. Roberto Duran was accurate but conservative, while Robbie Sims threw the flashy more slapsy type punches... In terms of points, well, okay, Sims scored well... In terms of well placed single shots, Duran was better there... All in all, the judges went with the busier Sims over 10 rds... Christ, it was hotter than hell on that eve.... I hate the summer heat....:fire

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  11. Stonehands89

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    I saw the fight some years ago now and remember how close it was. I couldn't tell you my scorecard but if I remember right, I thought it could have gone either way. Duran cared, but he was not "on fire" as he was three years later or three years before -against more formidable MWs. Duran was one of the those guys who fought "to" the skills of his opponents as he aged. He trained just enough to win... and was often off in his estimation. To say the least.
     
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    Robbie Sims was part "Pro" and part "Con." Back in 1986 / '87, I thought Robbie Sims was destined to be Middleweight champion.. He was in his prime and looking good in the ring... However, he got exposed by Sumbu Kalambay in a title fight, and Sims began to slide downhill there...

    As for the 'Duran' fight of June 1986, well, Sims won on pitty-patty shots, along with some stiff punches, as well... Duran at age 35, and 159 pounds, was NOT able to keep up the pace for 10 rds in the heat against a younger / natural Middleweight...

    I wish I had a clean copy of Duran's 1987 comeback win over Juan Carlos Giminez. Duran almost got iced in the opening stanza, but Duran roared back to control Giminez to win the decision over 10 rds... That was late 1987... Peace...

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  13. Jack Presscot

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    I had Duran winning the Pazienza I fight by about 2 points, back in 1994. What pissed me off is that in Round 5 he scored a legitimate knockdown, that is a 10-8 round, and it got scored 10-10????? WTF. (Giampa, Roth and Moretti, the Three Blind Mice) He also scored a flash KD in 2 or 3 and it was incorrectly ruled a slip, although Duran's fist made contact with Paz's body, and even "The Champ" Sean O Grady saw that. The Judges were totally fixed that night. Duran won that fight, and beat the **** out of Camacho the 1st time as well. It's as if someone in power was angry at his Legendary Status and was punishing him. :fire
     
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    A. Skippy....:thumbsup

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  15. Stonehands89

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    Duran-Camacho I is a thorn in the butt of my life.

    Pazienza I ...? Well, Duran wasn't exactly fit and ready for that one and his sluggish performance demonstrated that. Your take is interesting but I didn't have much of a problem with the decision, irregardless of the knockdown(s).