Did Holyfield beat Lewis in their 2nd fight? Round by Round Breakdown

Thread Stealer · Feb 3, 2010

I had it 115-113 Lewis when I first saw it and re-watched it and scored it 116-112 for Lewis.

Holyfield won rounds 1, 6, 7, and 12. Lewis the rest.

Brit Sillynanny · Feb 3, 2010

Sonny's jab said: ↑

I'm from the UK and proud to be British.

But there is an undeniable bias for Lennox Lewis on this forum.

All reasonable boxing fans should agree that :

1. Lewis was ROBBED in the first fight with Holyfield.
2. The second fight was very close, many of the individual rounds are too close to call with 100% conviction, and the result is therefore debatable.
3. Both Holyfield and Lewis are all-time great heavyweights, and who ranks above the other is a close debatable matter of opinion.
4. Lennox Lewis did NOT dominate the heavyweight division for most of the 1990s but he was one of the elite fighters from '91 or '92 onwards.
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Agree.

LL was obviously and ridiculously robbed in the first. The second was close but an attempt to right the first wrong colored the 2nd fight's scorecards. Very close fight in the 2nd.

Both were great fighters. The last two undeniable greats in the heavyweight division. Horrible and laughable division in its entirety ever since.

Good post.

Steel Kelly · Nov 20, 2012

I had Lewis winning the first fight 117-111 I had Holyfield winning the 2nd fight 116-112
That's boxing and the judges see things somewhat differently. I thought Holyfield fought a wonderful 2nd fight and Lewis at times looked every bit the lumbering oaf he really was.

diesel · Nov 20, 2012

the nite i watched i didnt score it and thought holyfield won = not to mention i was listening to bob sheridans horrible commantary....but when i watch it with the sound off i got lewis 116 to 113

diesel · Nov 20, 2012

streetsaresafer said: ↑

i just watched holyfield/lewis ii again. I scored it 6-5, 1 even for holyfield tonight (115-114). This is interesting because the 1st 2 times i scored the fight, i scored it 8-4 for lewis, 116-112. But i think i may be seeing what burt sugar, larry holmes, michael moorer, and several ringside journalists apparently saw - which was a close win for evander. for the record, lewis was most certainly jobbed in their 1st fight - i scored the first fight 9-3 for lewis if i remember correctly.

holyfield/lewis ii is a tough fight to score. Specifically, rounds 5, 8, and 9 are brutally tough rounds to score that really could be scored either way. Round 1 is close as well. i watched several of these rounds multiple times, i played back some of the exchanges, i even watched a couple of the close rounds with the sound off just to see how that affected things. very difficult fight to score. holyfield certainly doesn't get dominated like he did in the first fight.

I lean toward holyfield ever so slightly in the fight because he seems to be the effective aggressor, he is the one coming forward, landing the more telling blows, and lewis is far less accurate, particuarly with his jab, in the 2nd fight than he was in the 1st fight. Holyfield's jab seems far more effective, and he lands several good left hooks in the fight. I like lewis's body attack in this fight, and he has some beautiful uppercuts, particuarly in round 9. But again i scored it for holyfield by a point this time.

here is my round by round breakdown from my most recent viewing tonight.

round 1 - holyfield
lewis lands a good jab flush and a decent 1-2 in the first minute. Holyfield lands a decent jab to lewis chest. Halfway through the round holyfield whacks lewis to the side of the head 3 times. Lewis uppercut misses on holyfield's right glove though the announcers say it hit holyfield. With 45 seconds to go in the round holyfield lands a nice 2 punch combo on the inside and then they clinch (ref halpern makes it tough to see it though). Holyfield again jabs to the chest. Again evident that holyfield's jab is more effective, at least in this round. Holyfield is the one pushing the fight, coming forward, trying to engage. I know scoring round 1 this way might be controversial since all 3 judges gave it to lewis, but honestly everytime i have watched this fight i have given round 1 to holyfield - even the first 2 times where i scored the fight 8-4 lewis i still gave round 1 to holyfield. Again the key here is that holyfield is the effective aggressor in the round.

Round 2 - lewis
clear round for lewis. Goods jabs and a good uppercut in the first minute by lewis. Holyfield not punching much here. Lewis the aggressor in the round, unlike round 1. Good jab and uppercuts again by lewis. Good jabs by holyfield to the body, and a pretty good left hook to lewis's body. Good 1-2 by lewis. Decent left hook. Good round for lewis - clearly his round, lewis's jab was much more effective here and he landed those uppercuts.

Round 3 - holyfield
lewis missing a lot of punches initially. But good jab and uppercuts again 40 seconds into the round by lewis. Good triple jab by holyfield halfway through. Decent jabs by lewis. Slight edge to lewis so far in the round. Excellent overhand right by holyfield, biggest flush shot in the round so far. Holyfield whacks lewis a couple times at the end of the round. I gave the round to evander due to the quality of his punches. Again a close round though. But holyfield had the more telling blows and was more the aggressor in round 3.

Round 4 - lewis
neither one landing really anything in the first 35 seconds. Holyfield lands a good counter right hand. A couple of jabs by lewis. Nice jab by lewis 1 minute 20 seconds in. Some more solid jabs by lewis. Good right hand by lewis near the end of the round.

Round 5 - even
not a big round for lewis like lampley says it is (i like lampley but i disagree with him about this round). Great left hook by holyfield, maybe the most flush shot in the fight. Right right hand by lewis but doesn't land flush despite lampley's insistence "a big right hand." holyfield comes back with a left hook. Lewis lands another good right hand. Uppercut, some jabs by lewis. Decent left hook by holyfield. Holyfield comes back with a left to the body. Good jab by holyfield. Holyfield coming forward. Good left to the body by holyfield. I scored it an even round, lewis threw more punches but holyfield was the aggressor in the round going after lewis and had the best punch in the round early in the round. Very close round though. Even round.

Round 6 - holyfield
good, effective jabs by holyfield. Much more active than lewis at this point. Lewis gets in an uppercut. But good left to the head by evander. 1-2combo by lewis. Right hand by lewis. Holyfield clearly the aggressor in the round so far. Attempted some big looping overhand rights that missed but still hitting his jabs. Not much activity from lewis here. More good jab work by holyfield. Good round for the real deal.

Round 7 - holyfield
i wish more of their rounds was like this one. Best round of their 2 fights. Lewis nice combinations to start out. Uppercut by lewis. Strong left hook by holyfield. Holyfield goes to the body. Lewis seems a bit rattled, perhaps hurt some by the left hook earlier. Lewis clinching. Good body shots by holyfield. Great left hook by holyfield, snapped lewis's head back. Good right hand by lewis. Strong right hand by lewis. Great round. But holyfield landed the more telling blows in this round. The short left hook bothered lewis, and the left hook later on scored big too. Holyfield's round.

Round 8 - holyfield
right hand by lewis. Good jabs by holyfield. Not much happening though. Good left hook by holyfield, backing lewis up, best punch of the round by far. Lewis goes to the body some. Lewis seems a bit lazy here with his hands down. A couple jabs for lewis. Both get a couple jabs to the body. Good jab by holyfield. Solid uppercut by lewis but not flush. Good left hook by holyfield. Both trying to flurry at the end of the round. Amazingly close round, perhaps the closest of the fight, but i gave it to holyfield because he landed the best punch of the round, the left hook 1 minute in, and he closed the round nicely with another left hook and then a right hand.

Round 9 - lewis
holyfield outjabbing lewis to start the round. Good loopoing overhand right by holyfield. Strong beginning by holyfield in the first minute. Body shots by lewis. Lots of clinching now. Good triple jab by holyfield. Holyfield has won the first 2 minutes of the round. Another good left hook to the body by lewis. Both going at it. Great uppercut by lewis. Good combinations by lewis. Lewis scoring some more. I like that they are both going after each other again, ala round 7. Holyfield flurries a bit at the end. I like the aggression both showed in the round. Another close round, i gave it to lewis due to the uppercut being the best punch of the round. Could see this round being scored either way. Giampa scored it for holyfield, and the other 2 scored it for lewis.

Round 10 - lewis
some decent jabs by lewis. Good 1-2 by lewis. Holyfield trying to establish his jab some. Body punches by lewis. Holyfield not punching much this round. Missing some. Good counter combo by lewis. Another good combo punctuated by a good uppercut by lewis. Two more good body shots by lewis. Good left hook by lewis. Lewis looking great this round. Lots of clean shots landed. More body shots by lewis. Great round for lewis. Scored a lot shots, and didn't get hit much.

Round 11 - lewis
good jabs by lewis. Holyfield with a couple of rights. Good left by holyfield. Both jabbing. Left hook by lewis. More jabs from lewis. Top notch left hook by holyfield, best punch of the round so far. Good body shot by holyfield. Lewis counters with a good body shot. Holyfield lands a very good counter right hand. Good combo by lewis. Another combo by lewis.
I gave the round to lewis because he was busier.

Round 12 - holyfield
great combination upstairs by evander on lewis. Holyfield lands some body shots on lewis. Holyfield the agressor in this round so far. Left uppercut by holyfield. More body attack by commander vander. Some jabs by lewis. Not much activity from lewis in this round so far. Another combo by holyfield. Holyfield still going to the body. Solid right hand by lewis. Clear round for holyfield though, effective aggressor through out the round.

So holyfield takes it 115-114. 6 rounds to 5, 1 even.

thoughts? i must say i am surprised on how my opinion has changed on this fight. I scored it 8-4 for lewis the first 2 times i scored the fight, but now these last 2 times i seem to think holyfield takes it ever so slightly. I know most will say lewis won a close but clear decision, and i have no problem with that as i have scored this fight for him before.

the next time i watch it, i may see lewis as the winner again.

But right now, holyfield is my winner for their 2nd fight.
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try doing it all over again with the sound off

elmaldito · Nov 22, 2012

holyfield in the 2nd fight and mercer clearly beat lewis.

Vanboxingfan · Nov 22, 2012

I haven't watched this fight in years, but I did do a round by round break-down several times and I come up with 8-4 Lewis and if you're being generous I could see 7-5 Lewis. I've looked to find other rounds to give Holyfield and simply couldn't.

My take on this is that over the two fights Lewis won the first 9-3 and the second either 8-4 or 7-5 in either, cause he won about 16/24 rounds that were fought.

dawnofthedead · Oct 18, 2018

streetsaresafer said: ↑

I just watched Holyfield/Lewis II again. I scored it 6-5, 1 even for Holyfield tonight (115-114). This is interesting because the 1st 2 times I scored the fight, I scored it 8-4 for Lewis, 116-112. But I think I may be seeing what Burt Sugar, Larry Holmes, Michael Moorer, and several ringside journalists apparently saw - which was a close win for Evander. For the record, Lewis was most certainly jobbed in their 1st fight - I scored the first fight 9-3 for Lewis if I remember correctly.

Holyfield/Lewis II is a tough fight to score. Specifically, rounds 5, 8, and 9 are brutally tough rounds to score that really could be scored either way. Round 1 is close as well. I watched several of these rounds multiple times, I played back some of the exchanges, I even watched a couple of the close rounds with the sound off just to see how that affected things. Very difficult fight to score. Holyfield certainly doesn't get dominated like he did in the first fight.

I lean toward Holyfield ever so slightly in the fight because he seems to be the effective aggressor, he is the one coming forward, landing the more telling blows, and Lewis is far less accurate, particuarly with his jab, in the 2nd fight than he was in the 1st fight. Holyfield's jab seems far more effective, and he lands several good left hooks in the fight. I like Lewis's body attack in this fight, and he has some beautiful uppercuts, particuarly in round 9. But again I scored it for Holyfield by a point this time.

Here is my round by round breakdown from my most recent viewing tonight.

Round 1 - Holyfield
Lewis lands a good jab flush and a decent 1-2 in the first minute. Holyfield lands a decent jab to Lewis chest. Halfway through the round Holyfield whacks Lewis to the side of the head 3 times. Lewis uppercut misses on Holyfield's right glove though the announcers say it hit Holyfield. With 45 seconds to go in the round Holyfield lands a nice 2 punch combo on the inside and then they clinch (ref Halpern makes it tough to see it though). Holyfield again jabs to the chest. Again evident that Holyfield's jab is more effective, at least in this round. Holyfield is the one pushing the fight, coming forward, trying to engage. I know scoring round 1 this way might be controversial since all 3 judges gave it to Lewis, but honestly everytime I have watched this fight I have given round 1 to Holyfield - even the first 2 times where I scored the fight 8-4 Lewis I still gave round 1 to Holyfield. Again the key here is that Holyfield is the effective aggressor in the round.

Round 2 - Lewis
Clear round for Lewis. Goods jabs and a good uppercut in the first minute by Lewis. Holyfield not punching much here. Lewis the aggressor in the round, unlike round 1. Good jab and uppercuts again by Lewis. Good jabs by Holyfield to the body, and a pretty good left hook to Lewis's body. Good 1-2 by Lewis. Decent left hook. Good round for Lewis - clearly his round, Lewis's jab was much more effective here and he landed those uppercuts.

Round 3 - Holyfield
Lewis missing a lot of punches initially. But good jab and uppercuts again 40 seconds into the round by Lewis. Good triple jab by Holyfield halfway through. Decent jabs by Lewis. Slight edge to Lewis so far in the round. Excellent overhand right by Holyfield, biggest flush shot in the round so far. Holyfield whacks Lewis a couple times at the end of the round. I gave the round to Evander due to the quality of his punches. Again a close round though. But Holyfield had the more telling blows and was more the aggressor in round 3.

Round 4 - Lewis
Neither one landing really anything in the first 35 seconds. Holyfield lands a good counter right hand. A couple of jabs by Lewis. Nice jab by Lewis 1 minute 20 seconds in. Some more solid jabs by Lewis. Good right hand by Lewis near the end of the round.

Round 5 - Even
Not a big round for Lewis like Lampley says it is (I like Lampley but I disagree with him about this round). Great left hook by Holyfield, maybe the most flush shot in the fight. Right right hand by Lewis but doesn't land flush despite Lampley's insistence "a big right hand." Holyfield comes back with a left hook. Lewis lands another good right hand. Uppercut, some jabs by Lewis. Decent left hook by Holyfield. Holyfield comes back with a left to the body. Good jab by Holyfield. Holyfield coming forward. Good left to the body by Holyfield. I scored it an even round, Lewis threw more punches but Holyfield was the aggressor in the round going after Lewis and had the best punch in the round early in the round. Very close round though. Even round.

Round 6 - Holyfield
Good, effective jabs by Holyfield. Much more active than Lewis at this point. Lewis gets in an uppercut. But good left to the head by Evander. 1-2combo by Lewis. Right hand by Lewis. Holyfield clearly the aggressor in the round so far. Attempted some big looping overhand rights that missed but still hitting his jabs. Not much activity from Lewis here. More good jab work by Holyfield. Good round for the Real Deal.

Round 7 - Holyfield
I wish more of their rounds was like this one. Best round of their 2 fights. Lewis nice combinations to start out. Uppercut by Lewis. Strong left hook by Holyfield. Holyfield goes to the body. Lewis seems a bit rattled, perhaps hurt some by the left hook earlier. Lewis clinching. Good body shots by Holyfield. Great left hook by Holyfield, snapped Lewis's head back. Good right hand by Lewis. Strong right hand by Lewis. Great round. But Holyfield landed the more telling blows in this round. The short left hook bothered Lewis, and the left hook later on scored big too. Holyfield's round.

Round 8 - Holyfield
Right hand by Lewis. Good jabs by Holyfield. Not much happening though. Good left hook by Holyfield, backing Lewis up, best punch of the round by far. Lewis goes to the body some. Lewis seems a bit lazy here with his hands down. A couple jabs for Lewis. Both get a couple jabs to the body. Good jab by Holyfield. Solid uppercut by Lewis but not flush. Good left hook by Holyfield. Both trying to flurry at the end of the round. Amazingly close round, perhaps the closest of the fight, but I gave it to Holyfield because he landed the best punch of the round, the left hook 1 minute in, and he closed the round nicely with another left hook and then a right hand.

Round 9 - Lewis
Holyfield outjabbing Lewis to start the round. Good loopoing overhand right by Holyfield. Strong beginning by Holyfield in the first minute. Body shots by Lewis. Lots of clinching now. Good triple jab by Holyfield. Holyfield has won the first 2 minutes of the round. Another good left hook to the body by Lewis. Both going at it. Great uppercut by Lewis. Good combinations by Lewis. Lewis scoring some more. I like that they are both going after each other again, ala round 7. Holyfield flurries a bit at the end. I like the aggression both showed in the round. Another close round, I gave it to Lewis due to the uppercut being the best punch of the round. Could see this round being scored either way. Giampa scored it for Holyfield, and the other 2 scored it for Lewis.

Round 10 - Lewis
Some decent jabs by Lewis. Good 1-2 by Lewis. Holyfield trying to establish his jab some. Body punches by Lewis. Holyfield not punching much this round. Missing some. Good counter combo by Lewis. Another good combo punctuated by a good uppercut by Lewis. Two more good body shots by Lewis. Good left hook by Lewis. Lewis looking great this round. Lots of clean shots landed. More body shots by Lewis. Great round for Lewis. Scored a lot shots, and didn't get hit much.

Round 11 - Lewis
Good jabs by Lewis. Holyfield with a couple of rights. Good left by Holyfield. Both jabbing. Left hook by Lewis. More jabs from Lewis. Top notch left hook by Holyfield, best punch of the round so far. Good body shot by Holyfield. Lewis counters with a good body shot. Holyfield lands a very good counter right hand. Good combo by Lewis. Another combo by Lewis.
I gave the round to Lewis because he was busier.

Round 12 - Holyfield
Great combination upstairs by Evander on Lewis. Holyfield lands some body shots on Lewis. Holyfield the agressor in this round so far. Left uppercut by Holyfield. More body attack by Commander Vander. Some jabs by Lewis. Not much activity from Lewis in this round so far. Another combo by Holyfield. Holyfield still going to the body. Solid right hand by Lewis. Clear round for Holyfield though, effective aggressor through out the round.

So Holyfield takes it 115-114. 6 rounds to 5, 1 even.

Thoughts? I must say I am surprised on how my opinion has changed on this fight. I scored it 8-4 for Lewis the first 2 times I scored the fight, but now these last 2 times I seem to think Holyfield takes it ever so slightly. I know most will say Lewis won a close but clear decision, and I have no problem with that as I have scored this fight for him before.

The next time I watch it, I may see Lewis as the winner again.

But right now, Holyfield is my winner for their 2nd fight.
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In a word, no. Holyfield raised his game and fought like the champion we all knew he was, even had the better moments but Lewis won the fight, i had the Brit winning by two rounds.

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