Did Jack Johnson benefit from being born at the right time?

Since when do you have to be invited to have a drink in a bar?
Johnson came in looking for a title fight ,not a brawl in a cellar.
You turn facts, and logic upside down ,and inside out .

 

Sorry to dissapoint, but I just appropriated the name, Mr D Boucher is now residing in Jamaica I believe. I did see him in action against Kirkland Laing however, that would be around ,90/91, I guess.

 

Show me the same regarding Langford ,Jeannette, or McVey in connection with a title challenge to Johnson ,all I have seen is a lot of newspaper bombast.

 

Strangely enough, Johnson offered to fight Langford , out side a ring ,not in a cellar but in a closed room. Langford declined, he may have regretted that later.

 

H D McIntosh, [notice the correct spelling,] did not even put up the money for the Burns /Johnson fight, it was bank rolled by Snowy Baker.
I have never seen an offer for Johnson to fight any of the three I mentioned ,that was backed by a certified cheque .
All that is put in newspapers is just drumbeating publicity.

Barney Curley one of the foremost promoters ,stated black v black fights did not draw in the states,so there was no financial incentive to put them on.
Langford for example received his biggest purse for fighting Iron Hague in London.
Johnson was offered a paltry £3,000 to fight Langford at the NSC in Covent Garden ,and, he would have to had paid his own travel expenses from the States .

You raised the point ,I responded ,now it has come back to bite you on the arse.
Sparring matches do not have verdicts .
Gunboat Smith stated he sparred with Johnson,and put him halfway through the ropes ,he never claimed it was a fight ,or that Johnson was tkod or kod.

Toxie Hall dropped Marciano during Rocky's preparation for Cockell, Charlie Goldman halted the action, and sent both men for a shower
.
Does that mean Hall should be on Marciano's record as a tko loss?
You interpret it how you want, no one else agrees with you ,but if it makes you happy, go for it.
I do not doubt you will regurgitate this later, but have no fear, I will be here to correct you again. Your pal Bocher.:hi:

 

So if Johnson countered that challenge by saying

"No Jeffries, but right now lets go outside, get in our cars and have a race. If I beat you I win your belt"


Would you consider Jeffries a ***** for not accepting? So in your world, backing out from a challenge to defend your title in the sport it represents is wrong. Yet, proposing a barbaric and an entirely new challenge not only gives you a "pass" but also but you in the right?


lol come on. Your molding reality to your fairy tale world liking.




Its like an astronomer making a new discovery about a distant galaxy, and another astronomer trying to disprove the claim by challenging him to a potato sack race.

 

Champion Johnson ,on being offered £3,000 to fight Langford ,5 years after the first offer ,for the same amount.

" I must say that the offer which you have made me is absolutely ridiculous to my thinking.
I have defeated Langford and not only that ,Langford has been beaten 4 times in the last 2 years.
He was beaten by Sam McVey in Australia,he was also defeated by Joe Jeannette on 2 different occasions,in New York City,and not so long ago, he was defeated by Gun Boat Smith in his home town of Boston.

"I am very proud that I have made all my matches myself,and being a true champion I do not see where the NSC has a right to dictate to me how much I should receive for my appearance and boxing ability.
If they do not want to give me my price [which is $30,000 ],win lose or draw they can call things off on receipt of this letter
I won my title on those conditions, [Burns received $30,000 ,] and at any time that I shall do battle it will be under those conditions and none other."
A letter to the Chicago Defender.
" Dear Sir"
" Permit me to inform the public once and for all time ,that my match with Frank Moran is on and will take place the last week in June as now scheduled.

The whole world wants to see a white man as champion.I have signed to fight a white man,and because I refused a ridiculously small price to meet Langford,the proposed promoters ,and Langford's manager,tried to create an impression that I would never fight again.

Langford or his agent ,never would induce anyone with real money to back him against me.That's the reason for his soreness.

I am the same John Arthur Johnson ,undisputed champion of the world,and after Moran,I will fight,the white man who stands out, be he Gunboat Smith,Battling Levinsky, Jess Willard, or Georges Carpentier.

I refuse no one when I get my price.Moran's backers met my terms,and all the others have the same chance as Moran.
I understand that Gunboat Smith defeated Langford.
Here's the Gunner's chance to get a crack at my title."
"The public wants a white man to be my successor,I am ready to fight em all bar no one,at $30,000 apiece"
Your's truly Jack Johnson Wolrd's heavyweight Champion.

 

Newspaper publicity which amounts to hot air.
NO certified cheques,NO monies held as guarantee.No money up front.
In other words bull****.
McIntosh did not have the where -withal to put on these fights he had to be bankrolled to put on the Burns defence which was for a fraction of the spurious sums being bandied about here.Eugene Corri was a referee and never promoted a fight in his life.
You interminably spew out the same publicity drivel.
SHOW ME CONCRETE OFFERS.
I answered your question ,but I notice you did not comment on my corrections of you.
What racial affinity do you suppose I have with Jack Johnson?

 

Dear old Pal,Your posts are getting harder and harder to decipher,are you typing in code ? If so please pm me the code book.
Choynski .
The weight differential between Choynski and Johnson was negligible really Johnson had scaled 168 lbs only 10 months previously ,Johnson may have been about 5 pounds heavier than Choynski. Johnson was a super ,or ,as you say, supper middleweight himself at the time.
Choynski was rated by Jeffries ,Corbett ,Fitz and Johnson ,as the hardest hitter they faced. Choynski by the way, referred to Johnson as," a raw novice".
O Brien and Johnson went 6 rds to a no dec, opinions are divided on this forum as to the winner I believe. I have none, you as the chief Johnson hater, predictably vote for O Brien.

Bawhahaha:huh Sorry this defeats me ,what does it mean?
Imagine if Johnson it had today fought at supper time a supper middle weight but the verdict given were false NOT, now, by friend.
What do you say to that? Exactly ! I rest my case.:good
Loook foorward too yuor next pose Old Pal.:hi: