Did jack Johnson draw a color line himself?

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Joe Jeannette hated Johnson and so did Langford, when were they ever, "his old friends?" Both Jeannette and Langford loudly and persistently predicted Jeffries would beat Johnson up. They advised all their coloured brethren to bet on Jeffries,when Jeffries got the good hiding from Johnson that he had had coming for years and all the blacks that had been influenced by Langford and Jeannette's BS lost their dough, Joe and Sam found themselves "persona no grata," in the coloured areas of Reno!lol
"I hope Jeff breaks Johnson's jaw with, the first punch.I think Jeff will win the fight inside of 15rds if he is in shape"Sam Langford
Sam Langford trained Jack Sharkey to fight Harry Wills and was in his corner when he did.
Johnson went on the stump for black politicians, when did Langford or Jeannette ever raise their heads above the parapet and try to improve the lot of their coloured brothers?Answer= NEVER!
The Frech? The French Federation stripped Johnson of their version of the title and made the winner of the Jeannette v Langford fight their champion.A month later they reinstated Johnson as the rightful champion,I doubt anyone had noticed their silly first action!lol At no time did they "stripe" Johnson lol
The amount of purse Johnson received against Jim Johnson is in Unforgivable Blackness by Geoffrey C Ward, Chapter 11 "The Fugitive "page 354.That's three times I have told you this goldfish brain.
You often comment on this book but I know you haven't read it, no more than you have read A Flame Of Pure Fire, the Dempsey book by Roger Kahn which you commented on last week, but also haven't read!
I can well understand Johnson not honouring a contract that had been singed!lol
ps You'd type better if you took that hood off! Or maybe you're wearing it back to front?lol

 

McVey you're such a tool! The quote I provided was the papers in 1911.

Read it again. [url]https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19111230.2.27&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1[/url]

JACK JOHNSON TO FIGHT SAM McVEY

Champion Agrees to Go to Australia for $30,000 Purse, Win, Lose or Draw Date Dec 1911.


The quote you gave us says it fell apart over a year later. Bawahahaha.

" As far as I am concerned Johnson will never come to Australia again.he dare not show his face in London,he is barred in New York,and now that he will have difficulty in doing anything here,the only place left for him as far as I can see is France and I doubt they will stand for him even there."Hugh D McIntosh Honolulu Star Bulletin&San Francisco Call Dec21st1912. page688 Jack Johnson by Pollack
On October 12th 1912 Johnson agreed to defend against Langford and McVey in Australia for $55,000 plus$5000 training expenses,plus 5 round trip tickets"

Now fool, you might see Johnson had no such intention taking the offer made according to the press in 1911. If he wanted the fight, it happens. He didn't want it. In fact he sat out all of 1911.

Why didn't Johnson fight in France when Mcvey, Langford and Jeannette were active there? He could have. Duck, duck, duck...

I can show you numerous offers. The funny part is you cherry pick something from a book, ignore the timelines and act like you made a point.

Continue on with your clown show

 

The offer was made in 1911. Johnson had no intention of showing up for it, so the money put up for it was withdraw in 1912.

The press is full of Johnson having offers to face Langford, McVey and Jeannette. Johnson never took one of them. The French stripped him for not taking these fights. Once Johnson fought Battling Jim Johnson, likely for a MUCH lower purse than what the above three names would have generated.

The poster McVey claims to know the purse amount. Yet he won't put a number down here. The guy is full of it.

 

McIntosh pulled out of this agreement in January 1912 - ostensibly because McVey hadn't looked all that good outpointing Langford. More likely he just couldn't find a venue where he could make a profit. The fight was variously reported as being set for Sydney, Paris and Nevada before being cancelled altogether

[url]https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn86092557/1912-01-29/ed-1/seq-7/#date1=01%2F29%2F1912&index=1&rows=20&searchType=advanced&language=&sequence=0&words=McVey+Sam[/url]

 

Yes 1911 DECEMBER 30th ! So any proposed fight would necessarily be in1912!lol
The article stated the fight to take place before May1912! Really can't you get someone to explain these things to you?
Sep30th 1911 McVey fought Jack Lester in Australia
Oct20th Bill Lang
Dec 11th Jack Lester
Dec20th Sam Langford

Dec 30th Johnson agreed to fight McVey in Sydney on or about Easter MondayApril 8th, purse to be a guaranteed $30,000 plus $5000 training expenses.
McVey's victory over Langford made it a lucrative bout Johnson said,"McVey is made to order for me" "Further more I will meet Flynn,Kaufman,Morris ,or Palzer before I leave , for any distance if the promoters will give me $30,000 for my end" Johnson.
Now this is the part you need to get some one to explain to you.
"Unfortunately Sydney's clergy immediately began agitating for the prohibition of the scheduled Johnson v McVey fight.Fearing a repeat of what had taken place in England,businessmen interested in the fight engaged legal counsel to test the contests legality to ensure that they would not be investing their money in a venture that could not proceed.Once again it appeared that another potential Johnson bout might be derailed by opposition".
Promoter Jack Curley offered Johnson a flat fee of$30,000 to fight JimFlynn or $20,000 plus training expenses and33% of the films.
As a result of all the opposition to the fight being held in Sydney, Johnson received notice that the McVey match would have to be moved to France to be held on June23rd instead of April.Of course that was very close to a potential Flynn fight.Johnson would not be able to do both matches around the same time.Between the two the Flynn fight made more sense because it seemed to involve less risk for the same money.White hopes were the craze of the nation,every promoter was trying to develop a white heavyweight who could defeat Johnson." The Flynn fight had an added attraction for Johnson ,not only would Johnson get the same money for defending against Flynn,he would be fighting in the US and not have to travel to Europe.
Jan6th 1912 Johnson and Flynn signed, [not singed!lol ] articles to fight on July 6th 1912 Johnson would be guaranteed $30,000,plus $1,100 for expenses and 1/3rd of the film rights.
Johnson said he would ask McIntosh to postpone the McVey fight until the fall.
Jan11th 1912New York Boxing Commissioner Frank O Neill said he would not allow Johnson to box in the state against anyone."I have come to the conclusion it is against public policy and expediency to have Johnson box here."

Dan McKetrick, Joe Jeannette's manager had been offering Johnson $15,000 to fight Joe for a 10 round fight.Johnson wanted $30,000, after all he would earn $30,000 for a Flynn fight. Johnson made the following statement.
" This McKetrick makes me tired.At first he said Jeannette was a marathon fighter,that he could beat me over a route,but would have no chance over ten rounds.Now he wants to make it ten rounds and bunk the public,because he knows I can make Joe look foolish.However if he comes across with a $30,000 bid he can have a ten round whirl before I box
Flynn. "

Salt Lake Tribune Jan12th 1912 & Toronto Times Jan11th 1912.

* Thanks for reminding me why Johnson did not defend against McVey in 1912!
It obviously escaped your notice that Johnson,[ in the headline you provided ,]had AGREED to fight McVey. Now I've explained why the fight did not take place in Australia and why it was put on the back burner when it was proposed that it be re-routed to France,
ps Johnson was in France when Langford and Jeannette were there,he defended his title against Jim Johnson the day before their fight!lol

 

Though McVey floored Langford in the 3rd round many thought Langford deserved the nod.

 

A well respected poster on here contacted me the other day he gave a figure for the purse and asked me if it was correct? I replied ,according to Geoffrey C Ward it was.
I've provided you with the information for you to find out the figure,I've told you the name of the book,its author,the chapter its in, and the page.How does that constitute my being "full of it?" Please elucidate?

 

In short you have a source for him accepting an offer, that's all?

 

Mendoza is not the sharpest knife in the drawer!

 

I certainly need something more than a source showing that Johnson indeed accepted an offer to believe that it was a fight he really didn't want. You said you have provided sources the promotor pulled the plug, right?

 

Yes,several times.

 

Johnson NEVER fought McVey or Jeannette as champion from 1909-1915 despite numerous offers. There is always an excuse. He did sign to meet Sam Langford as champion in 1909, and pulled out of the match!

 

The plug was pulled after many months passed from the offer. If Johnson really wanted these fight and the money, he takes it. Simple. If you really want to learn more, just search the papers and you will see many offers, 30k, 50k and 100k for Johnson to fight the best from known promoters as the champion from 1909-1914.

At the end of the day, he didn't fight any of them! Langford and Jeannette blasted him! They managers tried to get the match.

 

You said you knew what it was, produce the number of the purse here. Don't hide behind something other posters do not own. Adam Pollack said the purse was unknown! But you say you know it.

If you know the exact amount produce it here. Calling you out yet again... to offer the number.

 

Source?