Did jack Johnson draw a color line himself?

You keep making claims without providing sources. Doesn't mean they have to be false, but McVey does actually provide sources for his claims, which makes them more believable.

 

The politics behind the Macintosh deal were complex, and there were those who suggested that Johnson was stalling.

The bottom line of course, is that his resolve in the matter was never tested, because Macintosh ended up pulling the plug.

Johnson had two potential deals on the table at the time.

He could have taken the Macintosh deal to fight Langford and McVea in Australia, and there was also a deal on the table from Jack Curley, to fight Fireman Flynn again and Luther McCarthy.

We can't be sure what Johnson would have done in the end, but we can be sure that his trial and conviction was a tragedy from the boxing fan's point of view!

 

No, my post, and the link that YOU PROVIDED state that Johnson agreed to fight Mcvey on Dec 30th1911,The fight to actually take place around Easter 1912 .My link then goes on to show why the fight did NOT take place The reason being McIntosh withdrew the offer because of opposition from the Australian clergy and the Australian public.
After talk of moving the fight from Sydney to Paris it was shelved,and Johnson ended up defending against Jim Flynn for $31,500 ,plus a percentage of the movie rights.
All this can be found in Adam Pollack's diligently researched two volume biography on Johnson,the details of the two aborted defences against Jeannette in NY and the two fight deal for Johnson to defend against both,Langford and McVey can be found in the second volume "The Reign",which sits on my desk as I type this.
These many offers that Johnson turned down,"30k,50k,and 100k".
Where are they?
If all one has to do is "search the papers,"why haven't you done so?
Which papers of the time can we read that state "Johnson turns down 30k,50k,100k to defend his title against ;
Jeannette,Langford , or McVey?
C'mon Mendoza ,where are they to be found? Do you have the links to hand? If so, share them with us? We are all here to be informed!

Why, after several years and countless requests from me, have you not produced them?

 

We know he agreed to the two fight deal to defend against both Langford and McVey.
We know McIntosh made a public statement giving his reasons why the fights would not take place,we know that nowhere in that statement ,which is in Pollack's book btw,did he accuse Johnson of reneging on the deal.
Curley never offered Johnson a fight with McCarty,nor did anyone else,McCarty actually made a public statement saying he ,"would not fight a negro".Johnson ,whilst in exile ,made the offer to defend his title in Canada against McCarty for Tommy Burns who was promoting there.
We know Burns refused his offer and made a public statement giving his reason.
We know this because again the statement is in Pollack's book and I have posted it here several times!
We know Johnson badly beat up Langford dropping him twice for long counts and breaking his nose when they did meet ,when both were pre-prime.
We know both men were below their optimum weight and that both improved later.Approx weights [neither weighed in,] Langford 156/160lbs Johnson185/187lbs.
Clay Moyle ,the acknowledged expert of Langford states Sam's best weight was 175lbs,Johnson stated he was in the best shape of his life when he faced Jeffries,for which fight he was 208lbs.
We know that, of the two Langford had engaged in the most fights when they did meet
We know Johnson fought Jeannette several times, dropping him multiple times in their bouts.
We know that Jeannette only ever won one of those fights ,and that was on a disputed foul.
We know that Johnson beat McVey three fights out of three ,and that none of them were really competitive.
We know that Johnson stopped McVey in the last round of their last fight after giving his a thorough thrashing .
None of this is supposition or conjecture.
It is what we know.

 

Maybe in different circumstances those black boxers may have been given a shot by Johnson. I wouldn't fight Langford for peanuts if I can make good $ elsewhere. There had been riots after the Jefferies fight.
I would have liked to see Jack Johnson given the normal support a champion gets and see what kind of reign he could have put together. It just wasnt the time. His own goverment running him out of the country. These bitches won't listen.

 

One also has to wonder what the reaction of any of the black trio would have been if they gotten the long awaited title chance that Johnson received at the age of 30?
Would Langford Jeannette ,or McVey have decided," right I'm now champion ,I'll defend my title against the other black challengers and ignore the challenges of white contenders,which would provide me with larger purses and ,instead take harder fights, for less money against my black brethren!

 

Curley did try to promote a fight between Johnson and McCarthy according to Johnson:

Chicago Tribune October 15 1912

 

Iv'e looked it up ,you are right and I was wrong.Apologies! My points stand however.

ps Lose the H in McCarty.

 

Yes, Janitor is right. Johnson didn't fight McCarty either. I think he didn't want to, but that is hard to prove one way or the other. In this case, Johnson can say he died young.

Janitor is correct again by saying Johnson could have taken the Macintosh deal to fight Langford and McVey in Australia!

I think Johnson avoided GB Smith too, who as he know TKO'd him in an ex match in 1909. Why not Smith instead of Flynn or Moran? For a while, Smith was a hot fighter. Not short, and with some power. " and he never forgot it " Smith referring to the punch that knocked Jack Silly.

All I see is ducks by Johnson ( Langford, McVey, Jeannette, Smith, and possibly McCarty, though I'll give him a pass due to an early death ) and mistakes by you on this topic.

We know who the top three -four people were when Johnson was champion. Fact remains he fought none of them for SIX years until Willard took the title from him in 1915.

PS: I"m a bit busier these days, which means I correct you less.

 

Johnson offered to fight McCarty.WGAF what YOU think! You have no credibility here you absolute Moron!
Johnson took The McIntosh deal you idiot! It was McIntosh that withdrew the offer you fool!
News Flash you cannot get tkod in a sparring match!
Do us all a favour .Hold your poisonous breath for 10 minutes you obscene bigot!

 

When did he send an offer backed by money and a promoter to fight McCarty? Details, please and sorry Jack Johnson's word means nothing.

It's funny, Johnson had dozens of offers reported by the press to fight to top talent and not one of them happened! He's a color line ducker, a dishonorable man ( who pulls out of a signed deal to fight Langford in 1909 ) among other things.

PS: Are you going to show us the price amount between Johnson and Johnson. You claimed to know. I've asked several times. Don't hide behind material other people own or lie. Just say it. Adam Pollack said the true purse is unknown, yet you claim to know it!

 

There is one little factoid worth mentioning here.

Jack Johnson's first title defense was originally scheduled to be against Denver Ed Martin, but it fell through for some reason, and Victor McLaglan was brought in as a replacement.

I don't think that Martin could have given him much of a fight at this point, but it would have had interesting political implications.

 

Didn't Johnson say he was drawing the color line shortly after defeating Burns? I think so. It's there to read in print.

So now he had a chance to fight Martin too? Geez, how many fights fall through with Jack Johnson, and how many of them did he have zero interest meeting as champion? Way too many!

Victor McLaglen was best know as an actor, his meeting with Johnson wasn't a real fight, it was an exhibtion match.

 

Lol. Nice

 

I understand that it fell through because Martin couldn't make it.

Obviously we can't blame Johnson for that.

John L Sullivan's first title defense, was also scheduled to be against a black fighter, and it fell through.