Did JCC fail or was ODLH just that good?

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  1. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Did the older past prime legend JCC fail against a much younger De La Hoya or was ODLH just that good?
     
  2. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He got old.....and ODLH was that good
     
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  3. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chavez was way past his prime by the time they fought.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Bingo. JCC old and Oscar is good. Very good.
     
  5. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Had more to do with Chavez getting old than Oscar being that good in my opinion. Chavez lifestyle and volume of fights was impossible for him to keep up not to mention he got dominated by Randall and was probably going to lose again until he got saved.
     
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  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    By the time of the first Chavez /Oscar fight ,JCC was way past his Best . Chavez remember had a long ,long career ,facing some of the best fighters in different weight division s .
    Also Oscar was young and hungry ,he wanted a big name win .
    Ironically in the rematch Julio did a lot better ,showing glimpses of his past Glory.
    But yep ,it s that old situation in boxing ,the Lion grows old and the young ones prowl ,ready to feast !
     
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  7. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Chavez was an all time great fighter at 130 and 135 but past his best at 147 when he fought Oscar. Oscar was a terrific fighter but I don't feel an all time great at 147. By the time they fought Julio was past it.
     
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  8. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chavez was aging and hadn't done himself any favors with his parties and nonstop beer binges. I don't know you've read Oscar's autobiography but I'd recommend picking it up if you haven't. It's solid by boxing biography standards, and its worth reading for a story about Raul Marquez when they were both amateurs alone.

    Anyhow, Oscar tells a story about how he was leaving his hotel early in the morning for roadwork and he encounter Chavez, who smelled like beer, struggling to follow some fine young mamacita out of the back of the limo. That was the moment where Oscar psychologically got past his awe of his hero.
     
  9. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chavez was past prime, but young Deloyhoya was very good. Deloyhoya dominated Chavez. As he should've done.
     
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  10. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Never read it. I guess after Oscar got past the awe of JCC being his hero, he became his own hero by snorting coke and dressing in heels.