Did Johnson Fight Langford Twice?

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I picked up a Boxing Encylopedia yesterday from a local antiques/consignment place and there's a lot of interesting tidbits in this almost 40 year old book.

    It's funny how much is lost to time in boxing. As the men who were there die, so do their stories, their knowledge. A book from just 40 years ago has multiple references to things I never knew about, had never heard about. Hence why we're still digging up newspaper clipping from 1900 and before. Really, what else do we have?

    Okay, the actual paragraph.

    "The 220 pound, catfooted John Artur Johnson came about as close to being an unbeatable fighter as ever lived. Once on the same night, he met and walloped two tough punches, Joe Jeanette and Walter Johnson. Twice within 10 days he met the great Sam Langford and both times left Langford hanging on the ropes, limp and bloody. The so called "white hopes" fell apart when he struck - Fireman Jim Flynn with a cracked jaw, Bob Fitzsimmons glassy-eyed, Stanley Ketchel talking to himself and old Jim Jeffries, never before on the floor, blinding appealing to his cornermen to come rescue him.

    In 1921, at the age of forty four, Johnson boxed the ears off of Luis Angel Firpo, 25, in two rounds and had him hanging. At almost fifty, he went 15 rounds with Pat Lester, a good heavyweight.

    Jack Dempsey also said that he was the greatest punch catcher of all time, a combination of Jim Corbett and Joe Louis. That he was glad he didn't have to fight him. Said the same thing about Langford as well.

    Now I knew about Johnson's constant exhibitions decades past his best, but I only knew of one 15 round match with a youngish Langford. Thoughts?
     
  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    i think they only fought once. Not sure if they fought twice

    Regardless Johnson refused to fight Langford between 1908-1915 and theres no question about it.
     
  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    He refused to fight all black because it wasn't a money maker for him. You're aware he basically fought all of the most dangerous black fighters in the world during the early part of his career and just how money motivated a man Johnson was, right?
     
  4. janitor

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    I know they fought an exhibition once that turned into a live fire fight.

    That could be the cause of the confusion.
     
  5. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Russel if you find any more intresting stuff post it up. sounds a great book.
     
  6. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well, what happened during the exhibition?
     
  7. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Johnson was just plain bigger and better than langford. Sam never would have beaten Jack.
     
  8. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Better? Many feel Langford is P4P #1.
     
  9. mcvey

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    I think Suzie means at Heavyweight.I would agree with him.
     
  10. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Oh. Well, of course. But that didn't mean Langford didn't mean to beat some great heavyweights well past his best.
     
  11. mcvey

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    Indeed he did but at heavyweight Sam was often on the fat side ,his metier would probably have been as a Light Heavy.
     
  12. janitor

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    Acounts vary but some say that Langford anounced at the outset that he wanted to make a real fight of it. The exhibition took place on a theatre stage and the exchanges became so heated that some of the scenery was knocked over by the fighters.

    Some acounts paint it as a more tame afair.

    Johnson talking about the event afterward said that he needed to utilise all his science to keep in the fight.
     
  13. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    so what suzie? , u criticise one fighter for drawing the colour line and yet fail to criticise Johnson at all. You know Langford beat better fighters then Johnson. An argument can be made of ranking Langford higher then Johnson
     
  14. mcvey

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    Certainly a p4p argument can be made ,and one difficult to refute.
     
  15. Cmoyle

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    Excerprt from 'Sam Langford, boxing's Greatest Uncrowned Champion'

    He did however, face him in an exhibition that was
    arranged to benefit the April 18th San Francisco earthquake
    Tackling the Big Fellows
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    survivors. The day after the fight with Johnson, Sam was
    asked if he’d be willing to appear in an exhibition that coming
    Saturday night at the Hub Theatre. When he accepted, they
    asked if there was anyone special he’d like to box, and he told
    them it didn’t matter but if they could get Jack Johnson he’d
    be much obliged. And that’s exactly who they lined up.
    The exhibition against Johnson was just one of many that
    had been arranged for the benefit, and it was reported on the
    morning of the 28th that based upon advance sales the theatre
    probably would be unable to accommodate all who wished
    to attend.
    The program included twenty-one boxing bouts, two wrestling
    bouts and six vaudeville acts. All of the bouts were reportedly
    lively and evoked considerable applause from the
    crowd. There were no ropes and no ring; the boxers simply
    exhibited their skills on a theatre stage.
    The exhibition proceedings were briefly halted while Johnson
    was presented with a watch and chain, supposedly given
    by some admirers. A short acceptance speech by Johnson followed.
    Sam claimed to know the watch wasn’t from anybody
    but Johnson himself, and that Johnson had staged this little
    event in an effort to make himself appear popular. This annoyed
    Sam, who was also angered because he had heard that
    the day after their fight Johnson had issued a statement saying
    that he had taken it easy on Sam during their match.
    Sam claimed that when the first exhibition round began,
    he made it a point to get Jack into a clinch and let him know
    it wasn’t going to be an exhibition. This was going to be a real
    fight.15
    As soon as he broke loose of the clinch Sam went after
    Johnson, slinging leather fast and furious. Johnson tried to
    hold off the onslaught as Sam rushed him across the stage,
    punching all the while. Quickly realizing Sam was serious,
    Johnson started to respond in kind.
    The pair fought from one side of the stage to the other,
    back to the curtains and forward towards the front of the
    stage, each determined to knock the other out. Before the
    round concluded they had knocked over their water buckets,
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    chairs and anything else in their path. The referee became the
    invisible man.
    Midway through the second round Sam drove Johnson
    into the stage scenery, and they clinched as they fell into it. A
    second later the scenery fell upon them, splitting the canvas
    where their bodies poked out of it. Pushing the scenery to the
    floor, the pair emerged to resume fighting as furiously as ever!
    The crowd was in an uproar at the sight before them.
    They continued to battle this way into the third round,
    maneuvering their way around a cluttered floor. At one point
    they clinched and tried to toss one another. When that failed,
    they went back to brawling until someone called time, and the
    so-called “exhibition of the art of boxing” came to an end.
    That was Sam’s version of the exhibition. The next day’s
    coverage of the event by local area newspapers reported that a
    number of the matches were very lively but failed to confirm
    Sam’s version. The Boston Post wrote that Johnson was careful
    not to do further damage to Sam’s eye, which had been
    closed during their match only two days earlier.16 The Boston
    American reported:
    Big Jack Johnson and his late opponent Sam Langford,
    just to show there wasn’t any hard feelings over their last
    encounter, squared off and showed the fans some clever
    boxing.17
    In any event the benefit was a huge financial success.