Did Jones hurt his legacy by fighting on after Ruiz?

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Roy Jones jnr won every bout at the Olympics in 1988 and was robbed of a gold (payback for some US 'judging' in LA).

    He went on to a near perfect professional career, defeating legendary ATG and Hofer Bernard Hopkins for a middlewt title in his 22nd outing at age 24.

    At 25, he beat another legend and ATG HoFer, undefeated James Toney (by shutout) to capture a title at SMW.

    After a loss by DQ (where he was (rightfully) penalized for being a little too aggressive after a KD), he avenged the loss with a very focused first round KO of undefeated Montel Griffin. This gave him a light heavywt title at 28.

    After picking up two more belts at light heavy, he went on to capture a piece of the heavywt title at 34.

    This was a first for a middlewt in more than a century.

    In a career that spanned 49 fights till that point, he held victories over Hopkins, Toney, Griffin, McCallum, Hill and Ruiz.

    And he completely dominated most of his opponents, including ultra-slick Toney, losing very few rounds over that period.

    Consider his legacy, had he retired after defeating Ruiz.


    But he didn't. He could have even retired largely undefeated after his 50th fight, where he recaptured the Lightheavywt crown from Tarver, two months shy of 35.


    Think of his legacy at that point.





    He did not retire, and instead, suffered two devastating losses to fighters he would have toyed with five years earlier.

    He followed this up with three wins over second rate (or worse) competition, before losing to a well past prime Calzaghe.

    And he's fighting another Calzaghe victim shortly.





    Do you think his legacy will be affected by his failure to retire after Ruiz ?

    Or will folks in the future remember that this was well post prime Jones who finished his career so poorly ?

    Do fans remember the tail end of Larry Holme's career ?

    Or Ali's

    Or will they remember that Holy fought well past when he should have ?




    Comments ?
     
  2. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes. If he had retired after that fight nobody wouldhave really cared that he didn't fight Tarver and it would simply be universally accepted that he would have won if they had fought.

    None of the wins afterwards helped his legacy at all while the losses hurt it considerably.
     
  3. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    What hurt Roy's legacy worse was a fat James Toney moved up and beat Ruiz also.

    Ruiz was a handpicked fight by Roy. Ruiz was a paper beltholder. Beating him did not make real history like Fitzsimmons did as Bob beat THE Heavyweight Champion. Roy did not beat Lennox Lewis.
     
  4. HauntingTheHoly

    HauntingTheHoly Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No. It was Tarver who hurt Jones legacy when he said, in a line that will haunt ***** ass Roy Jones fans in their sleep until they ****ing die: "YOU GOT ANY EXCUSES TONIGHT, ROY???" and then ***** SLAPPED his ass to the canvas. Humiliation and Pwnage on a scale rarely seen.

    His legacy took a dive after that.
     
  5. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Regardless...your looking at a man moving up 2 weight divisions for that belt...that in itself is pretty impressive..let alone that jones isn't built like modern day HW...
     
  6. rickx1

    rickx1 Legend Full Member

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    Yes, because he had never been schooled before the ruiz fights.
    When he faced calzaghe he got humiliated and schooled and this will hurt his legacy and will only add to calzaghe's legacy.
     
  7. miketysonko

    miketysonko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :patsch
     
  8. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course, those were brutal KO's and he wasn't nearly as shot as Holmes/Tyson or Ali/Holmes. (and those were both beat-downs administered by ATG fighters). And the 3rd Tarver fight was just an embarassment.

    The "it was just Ruiz" argument would always be there, but there'd be no chin question and fighters that walk away at the right time are rarely criticized for it 10 years on. The Tarver fight wasn't one that demanded to be made.
     
  9. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    U TRULY ARE AN IDIOT...JUSS LIKE U SAID FLOYD WOULD LOSE TO RICKY IF HE FOUGHT HIM IN ENGLAND RIGHT:rofl
     
  10. PH|LLA

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  11. Lewisbell

    Lewisbell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If he retired after Tarver I he would be one of the greatest of all time
     
  12. miketysonko

    miketysonko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True.
     
  13. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    I am not so sure about that. Ruiz is not a great fighter and Jones beating him does not mean much. All fighters could have retired at great times. Can you imagine if Hagler retired after Hearns or Leonard after Duran or Hearns after Hill? It never happens.
     
  14. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ruiz was not a great heavyweight, but he was a medium level one who held a split in a three fight series with Holyfield. The point is, he was a HEAVYWEIGHT and that makes Jones' win a great victory.




    Hagler's situation is nothing like Jones' situation. His one career-end loss makes little difference to most as it was a close decision and many thought he won.


    If Leonard had retired after Duran 2 ( I presume you meant 2, 1 makes no sense), he wouldn't have Hearns and Hagler and wouldn't be ranked anywhere near as highly as he is today. He wouldn't make the top 100.
     
  15. purplestuff

    purplestuff Member Full Member

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    damn your bitter, you must be james toney fan huh?:lol: