Did Jones still get the best of Hopkins?

What they said.

 

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Roy was head hunting all night. He wasn't working behind the jab or even throwing multi-punch combinations. Roy would just stay on the outside, feint a bunch, then leap/lunge in trying to land the left hook, or the straight right. Roy even said in the post fight interview that he just really wanted the KO so that he could get an extra 10%.

IMO Bernard was a sucker for the uppercut all night, simply because he was bulldozing forward with his head a la Holyfield, then tying up, holding and hitting/fouling. If Roy had created a bit of space, stepped back and launched the right upper he'd have gotten his extra 10%.

Bernard controlled the fight the way that he usually does... by holding. He neutralized Roy's head hunting attack, tied him up a lot, threw a couple of punches on the inside, threw some good shots after his acting job with the rabbit punch. He tried to make it look like a brawl but to me it just looked sad.

Personally I don't think that Bernard was able to keep up the pace and took the foul opportunities as breaks. It also appeared that with all of the acting, that Bernard wanted Roy to get DQ'd and to end it early.

 

I think most people agree that if they had fought in '03 like they were supposed to, Jones would have won handily.

 

they're both old and finished. this fight was as meaningless as you can get.

 

:goodanytime before ruiz jones kills hopkins. hopkins may last to the last bell, may not.

 

That's 02. 60/40 and I will whoop yo muthafuking ass.

 

It makes me laugh so much that you guys are still cryin on sour milk. Wake up, Bernard beat Roy by a large UD, everything that has to be highlighted is that and there's no way you can turn it around. The real end is of Roy Jones on the Big Stage. Bernard has more than plenty of options to earn yet another good payday and that was all they were fighting for or wasn't it?

 

This fight completely backfired on Hopkins. While Roy maintained his dignity (but God, please retire) in this fight and against Calzaghe, Hopkins has now become a clown.

And given the way he cried throughout the whole fight, it's tough even for his fans to defend him. You definitely can't say he "whipped" Jones.

If anything, and we may not agree that it's valid, a lot of fans will walk away from that fight thinking that Hopkins under no circumstances could defeat a prime Jones.

More than that, Hopkins disgraced himself with all the bitching and acting. Part of me wants him to retire, and part of me wants to see him stretched horizontal. Would serve him right.

 

you're right he won. others are also right, he faked fouls. he faked against calzaghe and now against a corpse. hopkins got the win but at the cost of his pride and respect. if you think that's a good trade off, no worries.

 

Jones has nothing left but once and for all can we end the myth that Jones does not have any technical skills or boxing technique? He was technically superior at infighting, and he was outboxing Hopkins winning the rounds technically. Hopkins won the fight by stealing rounds via DQ, or by pretending to be hit with low blows, or in the back of the head when Jones was winning a round or had the momentum. It made it look to me like Jones is still the better boxer, but that Bernard just had more tricks and a better overall strategy.

Hopkins did not dominate Jones in any way, and anyone who saw the fight will see that Hopkins won, but he did not beat Jones. The best shot Hopkins landed was a headbutt, that should tell you a lot.

 

At a certain point in the fight, around the 4th or 5th round the look in Jones face was a look of confidence while the look in Hopkins face was this concerned almost scared look. Jones was beginning to land his shots, and at some points he was backing Hopkins up, it did not look like Hopkins thought he could outbox Jones so he decided to apply the guile and roughhouse tactics. Hopkins won the first 3 rounds definitely, but after this Jones in my opinion started to take over and was creeping back into the fight.

Hopkins did what he had to do to win, but he did not look like the superior boxer, on any level.

 

The Jones that beat Lacy would have destroyed Hopkins. Jones just is too old to continue, he barely could make weight, and his handspeed while still faster than Hopkins was no where near what I saw in the Lacy fight. In the Lacy fight he seemed to have everything he needed to win against Hopkins.

 

i haven't seen the hopkins fight and only watched highlights of lacy but it's easy to look brilliant against a walking meatbag like left hook. lacy did less than nothing and jones looked awesome but against someone of hopkins calibre it's tougher. i think hopkins had something to do with how bad jones looked; then again, jones got knocked out in one round by a journeyman and may have slipped even farther. i'd say he's about 15% of his prime now to be generous.

 

nice insight:thumbsup

 

Nope