Did Juan Manuel Marquez win all four fights vs manny

Many people have made the same claim of "obvious" juicing about Pac. Sounds like an even playing field to me

 

These are not biases:

• Bradley I (almost unanimously regarded as a robbery)
• Horn (almost unanimously regarded as a robbery)
• Marquez (obviously roided to the gills — picked up a PED expert, put on obscene muscle, HGH with a resting 8 pack, and acne all over his chest and back)
• Mayweather (illegal IV fluids)

With regards to Mayweather and Marquez, there's a lot of circumstancial evidence that point to PED use.

 

The difference is that Pac doesn't have a trail of circumstancial evidence. Pac sued for defamation and won. By going to court, Pac would have had to prove defamation. That Floyd wilted and settled shows me that Pac was clean.

And we have seen Pac hurt/drop bigger guys under VADA testing.

 

There is plenty of circumstancial evidence against PAC. Winning a defamation means a claim was made with no material evidence and it doesn't mean you are innocent

 

No, there isn't plenty of circumstancial evidence. Pac wanted the cut off at the end of camp, where most experts say juicing wouldn't have helped. Plus there's a video of him saying he thought blood tests close to a fight weakened him. Plus Pac has been VADA tested multiple times and hurt/dropped every the guys in those fights.

And it meant that Pac was clean and confident enough to make it a legal matter. Both Marquez and Clenelo threatened to sue, but didn't. Hmm.

I don't have a problem with you thinking Pac is a drug cheat. But we know that you have an agenda and have never made the same accusations against Mayweather/Marquez.

 

Did Ken Norton win all 3 fights against Ali?
Did Bernard Hopkins win both fights against Jermain Taylor?
Did Mike McCallum win all 3 fights against Toney?
Did Erik Morales win all 3 fights against MAB?
Did GGG win both fights against Canelo?
Did Harold Johnson win all 5 fights against Archie Moore?
Did Jake LaMotta win all 6 fights against Sugar Ray Robinson?

Most of these rivalries also had close fights that had debatable decisions as well, but no one seems to care or bat an eye about it. Fact is that Pac is officially 2-1-1 against JMM, which is also what I have as well. I had Pac winning the first and second, third fight was a draw, and the fourth was obviously JMM. And yes JMM did put the best finish of the series. But he still lost to Pac in some of their fights. You can't say that he never lost to Pac because he has.

 

Not watched all 4 in a row for a few years but I remember giving Manny the first one by a point or 2..marwuez fought out of his skin but not enough to overturn that massive first round deficit.

Second fight.. Close but I gave it marquez by 2 or 3 rounds... I love this fight.. Not the most action packed but with Floyd's retirement I think these were 1 n 2 pound for pound at the time and it showed... Absolute class

3rd... Never watched it since the night it was on... Absolute travesty.. Marquez walked it... By miles... Made Manny look absolutely bewildered

4th.. Though Manny was gonna ko him.. Manny beat his ass.. But we know the result of this

What a rivalry

 

I scored the 1st fight a draw, what a performance from both men.

 

I thought Jmm won the 1st and the 3rd fight. No need to mention the 4th

 

Sadly that's all you and C.J can do say excuse after excuse and cry about it lol what's done it's done and in the history books

 

I had Pac Man 113-112 first fight. 114-113 Pacquiao 2nd fight. Had the 3rd a draw 114-114 and of course we all know what went down the 4th go round.

 

So you had II a draw, or win for Pac?

 

I think 2-1-1 in favor of JMM is fair.

 

I'll never forget Timmy Desert Storm Bradley putting on a boxing master class on Marquez.