Did Kermit fake the Knockout? Pic included!!!

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  1. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    It's got plenty to do with Margo's style though.

    It would take a real good boxer to avoid that kind of pressure. This isn't the 18 year old kid that Rodney Jones outboxed.

    I think it's fair to say that nobody in a long while has easily boxed with Margo. Even Daniel Santos who is at least an able boxer found it incredibly difficult to maintain a jab. Paul Williams for his part did ok early but once Margo started to put in the work his jab went away too.

    Besides jabs are really not the way to approach a guy like Margo. Reason being that a jab is used primarily as range and to setup a punch. With Margo there is no need to setup a punch because he's already there. So lead with right hands and left hooks. Don't give him the option of countering over a weak jab. He loves that. And focus on defense is a must.
     
  2. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    I don't know, Bernard lunged into that left hook to the body ... and it looked flush!!
     
  3. Samurai

    Samurai I lost an avatar bet Full Member

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    No way. That was a nasty body punch
     
  4. fitzgeraldz

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    1/2 step back or to the side and counter? ... kept the jab crisp and stiff which would off set Margarito's attack and make him box more.

    Every now and again show some love to Margarito's body with a straight punch ... you can't always block straight punches to the body - at times you can't help but to walk into them.

    I think the whole game plan was to back Margarito up with aggrression but as we've seen during the first fight thats not a good plan.
     
  5. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    WTF????? that was as real as it gets.
     
  6. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Well if you have it in the tank to dance around Margo all night sure. But most guys can't do that. Not without giving him major leverage in his punch volume.

    The way I look at Margo might be a little biased. But from what I see he has the size, durability and power to beat anyone at the weight class. For him it's just an issue of working himself up to get it done. He has to start fast to be effective.

    There are little things you can do but if he decides he's going to start fast and stick to you like white on rice then you may have a problem. A minimalist like Mayweather might get it done just by staying in the pocket. He's not going to run from Margo I think because it's just going to result in him being tired and laying on the ropes (which isn't a good idea).
     
  7. Samurai

    Samurai I lost an avatar bet Full Member

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    That's obvious.
     
  8. Atritionist

    Atritionist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That **** right there could even hurt a heavyweight. the punch that followed a little after that I believe was the one that actually finished him. It was a left hook that hit Cintron right under the rib cage. as devastating as this one looks here.
     
  9. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Just be here after the Cotto fight. :yep
     
  10. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some people still don't get it how serious a body shot can be... for example, if you're getting hit with 50 punces clean in the head you might feel it for a few days. A perfect body KO can stay with you sometimes for weeks...
     
  11. fitzgeraldz

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    No dancing ... it doesn't take much energy to take a half step back, throw a stiff jab, followed by a right hand. Once you land one on Margarito, its not going to be hard to land another one.

    I agree with you about Margarito, he has all the tools and is relentless enough to take the fight in his hands. The fact that he's getting off to an early start is better for him and makes him a more dangerous threat. But from a boxing stand point its not that hard to see ... he's very hitable at times too easy to hit ...
    Its not a matter of trying to knock him out rather that just rack up points ... if Cintron opted to box - then his night wouldve last longer or he couldve pulled out a victory.

    The way Cintron was fighting made it harder on himself ... he didn't have to fight like that, tire himself out, en route to getting knocked out.

    He couldve fought a discipline fight ... boxed ... used his heighth - reach - power to his advantage.

    Keeping your hands up ... be aware ...

    He's (Margarito's) coming straight forward - no angles ... he's easy to hit with a straight punch and a side step of a 1/2 a step back gives you enough room to unload a combonation on him.

    His money punch is the right uppercut so don't get in there with him - stay to the outside ... use your jab and frustrate him.

    Cintron wouldn't have been all up against the ropes taking punishment if he wouldve stepped to the side ... threw in some faints to throw Margarito off ...
     
  12. Thread Stealer

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    It was a great body shot.
     
  13. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Does anyone else think Cintron may do better at 154 lbs?? Because i've noticed that Cintron's legs dont really look strong, or that firm to me, and im not talking about his fight with Margo, i could also see this in his fight with Feliciano, what do u guys think?
     
  14. Ambition_Def

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    I do agree with you in spirit. If it is possible to stick to boxing, keep moving and just focus on landing punches.

    Problem is the guy doesn't go away. He doesn't give you a break and occassionally because he is so big and so relentless he manages to pop you with something.

    Even Mayweather isn't immune to this sort of psychological warfare. Look at his fights with Chavez, Castillo and Ndou. He has been known to fall into fights himself (although still pretty defensive).

    It's virtually impossible to just keep moving all night. It's a natural reaction for you to try and hit the guy with something that is gonna hurt him. And by that time, he's got the psychological edge on you. That's his game.

    This is also why I pick Margo over Cotto. Cotto is not going to box and move all night. Eventually Margo's pressure is going to force him to sit down and when he does it's uppercut time. Mayweather would be a more difficult W for Margo but still possible due to what I've seen in the past.
     
  15. fitzgeraldz

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    Agreed, a push wouldve helped him set up a lethal one - two combonation. Margarito wouldve walked into it ... or simply just clinch him till the ref broke it up ... the ref wouldve pushed both of them back giving Cintron enough room. I think most improtantly the push shouldve came at the end of his combonations.

    Yeah what the hell was up with his left hand ... it was low and he kept leaning - just asking to hit me with a right hand.

    He kept pawing with the jab too ... it was apparent that he wasn't hurting him with the right hand to the jaw.